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Quote from: danielpbarron on January 23, 2015, 04:47:48 PM

Bitcoin's ability to destroy socialism is not strengthened by the inclusion of every Tom, Dick, and Harry that has two cents to scrape together.

I wasn't aware that everyone had agreed on this being one of Bitcoin's aims. While you're entitled to have your own agendas, conflating them with Bitcoin seems rather naive. It's an open source protocol, people can do whatever they want with it. There are people, myself included, who would like to see the inclusion of everyone in this technology and you can't do anything to change that. If anything, your insistence to the contrary only reinforces my view that a fork would beneficial, since clearly there are different ideals at work in various corners of the community that aren't compatible. There are those whose only concern is worshiping at the altar of money and turning a profit, whereas others see Bitcoin as a tool for social and political revolution. Ultimately, we're all going to use it in the way our own personal ideals deem best, but try to understand that you can't force your view onto others.

Quote from: danielpbarron on January 24, 2015, 02:22:16 PM

Who are you to make such grand decisions?

An individual with a mind of his own who is entitled to make his own decisions, much like everyone else. Anyone who wants to propose a fork can do so, but similarly can't force anyone to go along with it. Anyone can choose to ignore someone else's view on the matter and can encourage others to do the same if they so choose. Again, personal freedom. For what it's worth, if there is a fork, I'll happily go along with it. Feel free to tell me why you don't agree, but you can't stop me. Such is the beauty of decentralisation.

Are you making the argument that bitcoin will be used to further socialism? You don't think that socialism is made impossible by bitcoin? As for "why I don't agree," it's a warning to you! Gavincoin will not succeed (if the hard-fork even happens). If you don't have the private keys to your funds, you won't be able to split them into real-bitcoin and gavincoin. Exchange operators and service providers will be able to split your funds, sell the bitcoin (if they are stupid), and keep the gavincoin. When the dust settles (gavincoin price approaches zero), any exchanges that made the switch and sold the bitcoin, are now insolvent. The hard-fork scam has the potential to cause a lot of pain to a lot of unsuspecting gavinbots.

I'm making the argument that people will try to use Bitcoin for whatever purpose they choose because it's a neutral protocol. It's people that have agendas and vested interests and I'm starting to wonder if you and Mircea Popescu have one of your own, since you're the ones making the most noise about this. Your statement that the new fork won't succeed is nothing but speculation, your guess is only worth as much as anyone else's. No one can claim with any certainty that they know what's going to happen. So again I ask why you're so afraid of the fork and allowing the market to decide based on the merit of each chain's blocksize? All I'm seeing are a lot of threats, scaremongering and baseless speculations. Exchanges can do whatever they want with the coins they hold regardless of whether or not there's a fork, so please tell me why I shouldn't dismiss that particular doomsday scenario as the FUD it sounds like. Use of the phrase "gavinbots" seems a little sanctimonious when it appears you can only regurgitate Mircea's wild accusations about Gavin's intent. Can we at least try to keep the discussion to genuine pros and cons?

My guess is not worth "as much as anyone else's." My guess is worth more than the average guess on this forum. You are not my equal, and this isn't a "discussion." The matter has been settled in #bitcoin-assets; I tell you, not to win an argument, but to warn you.

You have a peculiar definition of "settled". If the fork happens and we see which chain gets more support, that's when it's settled. Until then, it's a discussion and all you can do is speculate (and have a surprisingly lofty opinion of yourself, it seems).