Quote from: ElectricMucus on January 25, 2015, 08:30:43 PM

TECSHARE, you are missing the point. This isn't about whenever something can or can't be done using manual tools vs. cnc, it's about whenever WoodCollector really is a master wood carver and the things he sells are in fact his masterpieces.

Actually I am not missing the point, because so far all that has been presented against WC is accusations, not actual evidence of anything. If we are both pointing out what is or isn't possible, making the point that it could have easily been done with a hand guided router is a COMPLETELY valid point because it demonstrates that the conspiracy theory version of events presented in the accusation are not the only way it could have gone down. You are ignoring a perfectly legitimate explanation over BASELESS speculation. Explain to me again now, why is the burden of proof on WC and not Nubbins to provide evidence?

Quote from: smoothie on January 25, 2015, 09:29:13 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on January 25, 2015, 08:23:58 PM

Actually no. That is experience with woodworking tools AS WELL as experience with laser engravers. I know for a fact he have accomplished that exact effect with a hand guided router. You, however deny this possibility and claim it could ONLY have been created by a laser engraver or CNC. THAT is called speculation. The fact that you continue to insinuate he is just doing all of this as an elaborate ploy to deceive everyone here after he released the video of his HAND CARVING demonstrates very clearly your lack of a grasp on reality...

So first you say he applied those router lines by hand then you say he "could".

LOL so are you back pedaling now? Sure sounded like you KNEW he did it now you are saying he could have done it by that means.

Grin

Yes we should all listen to TECSHARE and heed his advice/insights as ultimate truth. Roll Eyes

Nope, not backpedaling at all, but of course that doesn't matter to you if you can inject some semantic games into this to distract from the lack of evidence against him. As I stated above, I said this to elucidate the fact that the only explanation for his work is not just laser, or CNC, but is easily achieved using a hand guided router. Again, why isn't the burden of proof upon Nubbins to present actual proof? Why is the burden of proof upon WC just because Nubbins strung together a bunch of speculation followed by a mob?

Quote from: JBits on January 26, 2015, 11:32:44 PM

That video doesn't prove anything. It doesn't even prove that you can handcraft from scratch; all it shows is that you know how to move a metal tool around a piece of wood. Show us something from scratch.

You do know that video, even compressed was about 2 GB right? It took nearly 2 days to upload and process. Perhaps maybe before joining the mob you give WC time to present videos of the manually guided routing process and the hand carving finishing. Of course, he should just stop everything else in his life and set up a video studio and make a brand new master work IMMEDIATELY to satiate this mob of children we have collecting here... how dare he not jump like a trained dog at the increasingly unrealistic insane demands of this mob! He should have presented a Hollywood produced masterwork within seconds! Forget how long it takes to carve a piece and upload the video! He should be able to do this like magic!

For the third time, why is it that the burden of proof is upon WoodCollector and NOT upon Nubbins to provide proof of his accusations? It appears to me at least WoodCollector is trying to do so, all I can see from Nubbins is accusations, theories, and abuse of the trust system to silence anyone who doesn't agree with his narrative theory.