Quote from: TECSHARE on January 27, 2015, 12:36:46 AM

Quote from: nubbins on January 26, 2015, 11:58:22 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on January 26, 2015, 11:48:18 PM

The proof is the fact that you are willing to abuse the trust system to silence people who are proving your accusations incorrect.

I see no proof... Cheesy

Of course not, but that doesn't matter because others have already stepped in and said very clearly you are abusing the trust system. Your ignorance is not a defense.

Quote from: ABitNut on January 27, 2015, 12:04:51 AM

I'm not a court/judge. But I do judge (I'm not a monk either). I have watched the whole Woodcollector episode unfold. I have seen the pictures and read what people pointed out. I have seen the video. I have drawn my own conclusion.

You're fighting based on your principals (I assume). I know you have a problem with the trust system (that's not hard, the system is imperfect and it shows). But do you really believe that Woodcollector is an honest and skilled craftsman? I'm asking you straight, do you think that Woodcollector did not use a laser to etch their pieces?

I do believe WoodCollector is an honest and skilled craftsman, and I make this conclusion as a craftsman myself. I do not think WoodCollector used lazers or a CNC mill or any other automated system to produce his work. I find it asinine that people are willing to ignore a much simpler explanation for it but rather defaulting to endless theories and constantly shifting speculation and regarding it as proof. Why again is the burden of proof not upon Nubbins? Making accusations is not hard... anyone can do it without any fraudulent activity needing being involved at all by the accused party.

IMO most of these people here are just so jealous of the level of skill he has, and the amazing income he makes with his skills, they can't stand it, and can't possibly believe that this could be true. 90% of the people here have never even whittled a stick let alone done any serious craftwork. This forum is filled with techies and economists, not craftsman or artists. None of you have ANY expertise on this subject and this ignorance shows.

Hey now, I've been at the wrong end of a pointy stick enough times to tell if it's hand carved or not! /joke

Since you gave your opinion it seems fair that I give mine too.

1) The pictures that were shown on the forums show poor cuts
2) The patterns on his works are very detailed and (near) perfect
3) They admitted to having used an image they had no rights to
4) The video they posted does not demonstrate the same detail that is in their other works
5) There are some apparent shills to back them up

I'm pretty sure that if the case went to court they would not be convicted based on only this. They would probably get a warning. Also they did deliver their works to the satisfaction of their customers.

But in my opinion they're misleading their patrons with their statements. Because of 1) if think they're overstating the quality of their work. Because of the mismatch between 1) and 2) (one shows little attention for detail and the other an high attention for detail) I think there's something fishy. Number 3) is a minor one, but funnily enough the point that would most likely lead to punishment because that's the way the justice system rolls. The final number 4) is disappointing, since they came out to proof something but ended up actually proving nothing. Finally I did not see conclusive proof of 5) and though it seems pretty obvious I'm not really considering it - I feel the other points carry enough weight for me.

All that tells me the works they're selling here are not top notch. Nothing that would make me get my pitchfork out and fire up the good ole torch though. Hey, they may still be greatly skilled and just doing bitcointalk on the side with low effort jobs.