Quote from: TECSHARE on January 27, 2015, 03:17:35 AM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on January 27, 2015, 03:08:48 AM

@ Tecshare,

We were talking about who has the burden of
proof, not whether the evidence presented
was absolute proof or speculative.

Switching the point of argument is a weak
tactic that will not work on me.

You keep saying you want proof, and not
theories and speculation. Where is the
proof that WC has any hand carving skill whatsoever,
let alone being a 'master carver' ?

Since now you have decided we are talking about burden of proof, who normally has the burden of proof? The accused or the accuser? In any place where a person is guilty until proven innocent it is usually a pretty big totalitarian hellhole.

This is not switching the point of argument, it is pointing out the fact he was FIRST JUDGED GUILTY, then everyone demanded proof of his innocence. No proof of his guild was ever presented. End of story.

WHERE IS THE PROOF HE DID SOMETHING WRONG? IT DOESN'T EXIST, if it did it would have been brought up by now somewhere in between all of the theories and accusations.

Wrong.

In dec 2014 I approached him about this same issue and never got any clear answers to my questions and he conveniently tried to get me to take the discussion off of the forum.

Which we never continued as I never got around to it.

So no there was initially NO JUDGEMENT of being GUILTY by me as I was the FIRST person to question him.

He even says I approached him professionally. He just never proved he never used a laser and when questioned diverted the discussion elsewhere.

Here is my proof of my claim:

Quote from: WoodCollector on December 02, 2014, 07:43:20 PM

Quote from: smoothie on December 02, 2014, 07:19:36 PM

Is this hand carved?

Honestly, no offense it looks like it was laser engraved. I've lasered wood and it looks very similar in nature.

Nice work!!

Hand carved with chisels and worked with a dremmel tool and sandpaper.

No offense taken.

I've seen lasered wood before and it just looks dull to me. It only has 1 real dimension and that's depth. I was looking into getting a laser to speed up the stenciling process but after a day of searching found that any good ones run $20,000 up to $80,000 which is a lot more than i want to spend to save 5 minutes of work of transferring an outline from paper to wood.

Quote from: WoodCollector on December 02, 2014, 09:13:36 PM

Quote from: smoothie on December 02, 2014, 07:58:19 PM

Perhaps I misread why the smell was "burnt"?

Isn't carving's only dimension DEPTH given length and width is a given on any flat surface?

Please realize I am no expert in carving and am really just curious.

The smell was "Like Ass" and its because of the UV sealer. As it cures it off gasses and smells like rotten eggs mixed with horse manure.

Its hard to see in some photos of some pieces but carving has many dimensions, A laser printer looks flat like ink on paper, Carving creates many dimensions along the horizontal plane. When you look at Transcendence you can see that each block that was carved is not only rectangular when looking at it straight on but it is also perfectly round when you look at it from a side view as each block holds 2 shapes as you move around it, thus giving it the appearance that it is moving while it is sitting still. To put it simply, THIS PIECE was carved, and THIS PIECE was lasered. you can see that the carved piece ans 3 dimensional characteristics while the lasered piece has no relief or charecter. Lasering is like extruded images.

Quote from: elianite on December 02, 2014, 08:41:17 PM

This is really very, very cool!

big question is, should I include this in my guide of physical crypto coins? perhaps not as a 'normal' entry, but a special page for out-of-the-box things like this.

see it at www.coinfirm.org

You may, yes. There will only be 10 coins made this year ranging from $500 to maybe $10,000 or $20,000 each certified by a CoA. You could list the bitcoin addresses used on the CoA as a means of verifying authenticity for future buyers if someone who purchases the piece from me wishes to sell it to someone else. Each piece in the collection will have a name, and each piece will have its own design and be made from a different exotic wood.

Quote from: WoodCollector on December 02, 2014, 09:13:36 PM

Quote from: smoothie on December 02, 2014, 07:58:19 PM

Perhaps I misread why the smell was "burnt"?

Isn't carving's only dimension DEPTH given length and width is a given on any flat surface?

Please realize I am no expert in carving and am really just curious.

The smell was "Like Ass" and its because of the UV sealer. As it cures it off gasses and smells like rotten eggs mixed with horse manure.

Its hard to see in some photos of some pieces but carving has many dimensions, A laser printer looks flat like ink on paper, Carving creates many dimensions along the horizontal plane. When you look at Transcendence you can see that each block that was carved is not only rectangular when looking at it straight on but it is also perfectly round when you look at it from a side view as each block holds 2 shapes as you move around it, thus giving it the appearance that it is moving while it is sitting still. To put it simply, THIS PIECE was carved, and THIS PIECE was lasered. you can see that the carved piece ans 3 dimensional characteristics while the lasered piece has no relief or charecter. Lasering is like extruded images.

Quote from: elianite on December 02, 2014, 08:41:17 PM

This is really very, very cool!

big question is, should I include this in my guide of physical crypto coins? perhaps not as a 'normal' entry, but a special page for out-of-the-box things like this.

see it at www.coinfirm.org

You may, yes. There will only be 10 coins made this year ranging from $500 to maybe $10,000 or $20,000 each certified by a CoA. You could list the bitcoin addresses used on the CoA as a means of verifying authenticity for future buyers if someone who purchases the piece from me wishes to sell it to someone else. Each piece in the collection will have a name, and each piece will have its own design and be made from a different exotic wood.

Quote from: WoodCollector on December 02, 2014, 09:34:35 PM

Quote from: smoothie on December 02, 2014, 09:26:34 PM

WoodCollector, thank you for pointing this out for me. Now I have learned something new and will take it and use it going forward.

Aloha!

Any time smoothie. You know, sooner or later you are going to have to make one of these art pieces yours, or commission your own. A man with your reputation and stature in the Bitcoin community needs something beautiful in his home or office to memorialize his position on Bitcoin.

Maybe something from Koa or Mangowood to represent Hawaii

Quote from: OgNasty on December 02, 2014, 09:31:03 PM

Beautiful.

Thanks Og, I will be messaging you in a bit or maybe tomorrow for an escrow if you wouldnt mind. Have to ship a $17,000 bitcoin art piece and there is no way it leaves my hands without funding from someone who who has 0 reputation in this community and only 9 posts as of today.

Quote from: WoodCollector on December 02, 2014, 09:39:24 PM

Quote from: smoothie on December 02, 2014, 09:32:13 PM

From what I gather from the photos you posted above it seems to me (from what I can see) that your piece looks more like this http://i.imgur.com/CoDNGQm.jpg than this http://i.imgur.com/CoDNGQm.jpg

If I am not mistaken it does look a bit flat from the pictures. Could you elaborate to me how it is not like the first link I pasted above?

Lasers also have the ability to go at different depths. I would imagine other more specialized lasers have the ability to move the laser in a 3-dimensional space to carve out an image like the second link you provided above.

All one would need to do is provide the 3dimensional vector image to the system and it would do something as complex as the second link.

Then again that last part I am just guessing as I have not used a 3d laser (if it exists).

Shoot me a PM smoothie, i will go more into detail for you, or do you maybe have skype? I dont want to clutter up the thread with a pages full of talk about the difference between laser engraving and carving. On skype we could have conversation, you could teach me some things i dont know about laser engraving, and i can teach you about the process and results of carving.

Notice how he never got around to answering my question which is directly related to his work vs a stock image of a lasered piece and how they are so similar in nature??