Quote from: iCEBREAKER on February 23, 2015, 01:53:48 AM

Quote from: DooMAD on February 23, 2015, 01:38:36 AM

If you're so determined to have everyone's less "valuable" transactions on another chain, why are you opposing the fork? Once we've forked, you'll never have to see another $2 coffee wasting precious space in your blocks again. You should be happy to see us go. Unless, of course, you end up having to admit that you need the rest of us to make this whole thing work. Somehow it feels like we still haven't had an honest answer from your side about your real motives here. I mean, which is it? You say you want a system that doesn't include small transactions, but you want us all to stick around and support a network that will eventually be of no use to us because our "lesser" transactions won't make it in because the blocks are full? You can't have your cake and eat it. Either it works for the masses or it doesn't work. That's Econ 101.

You know full well that if you had a coin that only whales used, it would die a horrible death. Otherwise you'd have done it by now. You don't want to be kings of a worthless little molehill, so you need the rest of us. So climb down from your high horse, admit that you're nothing without the rest of us and drop the whole elitist utopia bullshit. You know that if there's a fork and you don't tag along, your ideals will only last about as long as the value of your network holds out, which I doubt would be very long without anyone else to hold it up for you. All the bad things you claim will happen with a 20mb block won't happen to you if you stay on the old 1MB chain. So why do you care if we fork? Why are you so scared that we might leave you behind? We'll survive without you, but you won't survive without us. You know it. We know it. You have no other reason to oppose the fork.

You. Need. Us.

Our reasons for opposing the fork have already been explained in great detail. But you won't accept them, so you have to be paranoid and impute Secret Hidden Reasons.

Instead of using your psychic abilities to divine our True Motivations, perhaps you should be worrying about damage to the Bitcoin brand occurring as a result of this completely unnecessary Great Schism.

The world has always been and will always be an "elitist utopia." Sorry if you believed that Bitcoin was your free ticket out of that reality and into the promised land of your Free Shit Army.

But yes, best of luck with your HubrisCoin. Have fun being destroyed by MP and his fellow neo-royalist reactionaries. Kiss

Why would anyone accept your reasons when they're immediately debunked? The only valid argument I've heard is the one where in future, it might lead to centralisation if the hardware requirements to run a full node are too great for the average user. But that's a long way off, whereas the point where full blocks start occurring frequently and people are left waiting for their transactions to go through, will certainly happen first if we don't remove this pointless limit. Slow or no confirmations for the majority will do far more to damage Bitcoin's reputation than a small minority of vocal antagonists whining "won't someone please think of the whales?"

You're the ones who wants free shit, because you want us to support a network that won't relay our transactions. Again, I'm still yet to hear your plan on how you think you're going to manage without us? Your options are pretty limited at this point:

Outcome 1: We fork to the 20MB chain and you're left behind on the old chain to run all your own nodes and do all your own mining.

Outcome 2: The fork doesn't happen, people's transactions stop confirming when the blocks are full and everyone jumps ship to something that actually works. You're left behind to run all your own nodes and do all your own mining.

Either way, you need to face that fact that we're not sticking around to entertain your rather silly desire to support something that isn't in our benefit. You can either tag along with us and play ball, or you can act up like some errant child. It's all a question of how big a scene you want to make. Either the 1MB limit goes, or we do. Choose wisely.