Quote from: becoin on February 28, 2015, 05:39:25 PM

Quote from: bitgeek on February 28, 2015, 02:36:24 PM

Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany.

Actually this is a myth created by US propaganda. USSR didn't attack Poland because there was no Polish state anymore when they entered this territory. Polish army was defeated by the Germans and government of Poland was already evacuated in London when the Red army entered Poland!

You're wrong. I'll ignore your assumption that a defeated country whose capital is taken over by the enemy ceases to exist and just state the facts. At the time of the Soviet attack, Polish forces were still fighting and the German army had yet to reach the Eastern part of the country. There were still whole battalions stationed at the Eastern border. Those soldiers were attacked and defeated by the soviets, although they fought until the end. If you want to know the details read about Kock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kock_(1939), where Polish soldiers fought and finally defeated the German XIV Motorised Corps, forcing them to retreat, but had to give up after being surrounded by both Germans and Soviets. This was on the 6th of October, 3 weeks after the Soviet aggression, when according to you there was no longer any Poland.

Also, the Soviets were helping the Nazi since September 1st, by giving them intel and helping their bombers find the targets.
Another thing worth mentioning is the fact that the Soviet forces were two times bigger than those of the Germans. They mobilized 600 thousand troops and 4700 tanks, so it was an all out assault.

Quote from: Snail2 on February 28, 2015, 05:25:35 PM

Quote from: tee-rex on February 28, 2015, 03:55:37 PM

My question is not about the Red Army, I'm more interested about that "they were like animals compared to the western soldiers". What western soldiers do you actually refer to here?

And how old are you, by the way?

Well, the soviet army really left a big mess behind. E.g. my country spent a couple of billions of dollars on decontaminating former soviet bases. Mostly fuel and oil contamination in the ground water, but on the abandoned training grounds we found thousands of unexploded ammunition pieces, huge amounts of buried batteries and such stuff. All of the buildings (many of them historical buildings) what they seized were quite a bit run-down after they went home. So yes, they really left some serious crap behind. On the contrary when the americans used one of our airfields during the Iraq war they left everything clean, nice and tidy.

Exactly. There were constant problems with the discipline of Soviet soldiers. They loved to drink, start fights and rape women, although most of these incidents were covered up.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/may/01/news.features11
Natalya Gesse, a close friend of the scientist Andrei Sakharov, had observed the Red Army in action in 1945 as a Soviet war correspondent. "The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty," she recounted later. "It was an army of rapists."