Quote from: NRF on July 31, 2012, 08:25:27 AM

Quote from: Xenland on July 31, 2012, 08:12:29 AM

better educated on hacking then those that go to universities(nothing against the integrity of universities per se)

I would agree with you to a certain extent, many a time I have attempted to bash my brains out on the sharp pointy bit offered by the corner of my desk when a new graduate "invents" some new and novel way to propel feces at astonishing speed into the revolving metal blades.

But on the other hand I have also had some talented novices do their level best to put the whole mess into orbit.

I suppose what I was trying to get at is there is nothing like years of experience and training when trying to keep the shit in the bowl.

I got that from your schpeal Cool

definitely nothing beats experience that is for sure, I would append to your statement by saying that if we can cram experience into the class room in a rapid manner instead of the occasional hands on experience, the 50% of just listening about "things" that are only as relevant as the best the instructor can depict through story telling and pictures not to mention to relie on your own imagnation to paint the picture of what could be going on and left to assume the interpretation of the meanings the instructor is trying to convey and the other 50% of homework I guess I'm trying to say in a long paragraph is that once experience is integrated into the class room, students can be better educated out the door, they would have enough knowledge and experience to automatically come up with assumptions that are correct and in-line with what would be considered with practical security measures about the things they don't know or aware of.