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Quote from: runpaint on March 06, 2015, 12:16:52 AM

You sound like a spoiled child.

You can do better than weak ad hominem attacks, no?

Actually I was providing a valid comparison between you and a spoiled child, which can be explored thoroughly to explain your motives and solutions.

It's not just a weak insult, like when you started by calling me a "butthurt capitalist" and then came back to whine like a child about ad hominems.

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Capitalism wastes food on an industrial scale. Whatever comes after will by necessity be much more efficient at resource distribution.

You claim that any system will be better, which is how you excuse your lack of a better alternative. Fortunately for the rest of us, history has countless examples of alternative systems which are vastly inferior.

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I think in the 21st century money is going to quickly become an irrelevant ritual from a bygone era

Wasn't that supposed to be the 20th century? Marxism had more than enough chances. It failed.

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Quote from: runpaint on March 06, 2015, 12:16:52 AM

Throughout human history, starvation and death have been the everyday norm.

You could say the same for slavery, torture, and rape.

Are you trying to bring those back too? Your ideas have been proven to result in plenty of starvation and death, but you are correct in mentioning the slavery, torture, and rape that are happening in North Korea thanks to people like you.

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Quote from: runpaint on March 06, 2015, 12:16:52 AM

Take it up with God, or nature.

I don't see how superstition is going to be anything but a hindrance here.

You think nature is a superstition? Then go ahead and test it scientifically. Just stop eating, and see how long you last. Otherwise, we can all agree that work and survival are not anyone's fault, but something we all are born into with no possible end short of death.

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Quote from: runpaint on March 06, 2015, 12:16:52 AM

... or nature. We have to eat, and food isn't free.

All food on this planet is free until the violence-enforced profit motive builds a big ass barbed-wire fence around it.

That makes no sense. At what point in history did humans have more food than they now have? At what point in history did people not starve? At what point in history would a starving man willingly let another man take all his food, "for free"?

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I have this theory that the more a person talks about human nature, the less they understand about it.

And I've noticed that the more a person whines about capitalism, the less he understands about anything at all.

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Listening to a capitalist preach about human nature is about as useful as listening to a priest talk to you about science.

I just thought I'd try to explain to you that humans need to eat, and nobody can be blamed for that fact. Obviously it was a waste of time to explain the most basic facts of existence to you.

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As a civilized primate, the first thing you need to understand about your nature is that it is being held hostage by a lifetime of cultural indoctrination.

That's the first thing? Before eating? Because plenty of communists starved to death after they got rid of capitalism, rich people, and private property.

But not cultural indoctrination, you'll never get rid of that. It's your #1 favorite thing, which is why communists never give up their propaganda even while they starve. Go ahead and trade your food for your zealous beliefs, but don't get so angry when the rest of us choose food over hatred of everyone who has more than us.

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Quote from: runpaint on March 06, 2015, 12:16:52 AM

.If you actually expect that to change, you're an idiot.

I expect everything to change when it comes to human existence.

Cool story. You expect us to stop dying, and to stop requiring food. Then by all means, go start your utopia of immortals. Meanwhile, those of us who need food will continue either working or starving.

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Quote from: runpaint on March 06, 2015, 12:16:52 AM

Nobody forces anybody to work. That's just life.

The Royal Navy probably said something similarly fascistic to the men they press-ganged into service aboard their ships.

What, this year? I thought you were just whining about current circumstances. Are you also blaming everything in history on our current system, retroactively?

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In other news, Foxconn constructed huge nets around their massive factory-dorms to prevent further worker suicides.

And you're blaming what happens in China on capitalism? Too bad you have to blame communism first.

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America touts itself as the land of the free, but the number one freedom that you and I have is the freedom to enter into a subservient role in the workplace.

Yes, the main complaint of whiny children is that someone else is in charge. They hate their parents, they hate the government, they hate anyone who has more money, and they hate the idea of God.

The problem is that once you've made yourself the sole authority over your own life, who will you blame for all your problems?

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Once you exercise this freedom youve lost all control over what you do

Actually you can quit the job whenever you want. Sorry for pointing out the fact that everything you said is bullshit.

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And in the end, the product doesnt belong to you.

Oh no! GM factory workers don't own thousands of automobiles? Let's riot!

Children love to whine about "fair pay", but they don't really want fair pay. Because when the factory loses money and/or goes bankrupt, none of the workers want to pay their fair share of the debt. They don't want to pay their fair share to buy and maintain the equipment, and, again, they can quit anytime they want and go work somewhere else.

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The only way you can avoid bosses and jobs is if you dont care about making a living. Which leads to the second freedom: the freedom to starve.

Exactly. If you don't want to eat, then don't work. That's been the case since the first human got hungry, and no revolution will ever change the fact that we need to eat. So what is your point?

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