Quote from: DooMAD on March 10, 2015, 10:43:48 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on March 10, 2015, 08:38:34 PM

It's been a pleasure watching DP and Davout slap you forkers around all over this thread.

Which thread have you been watching?

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on March 10, 2015, 08:38:34 PM

This is the the crux of the matter, and where the pro-bloat side lose the debate:

Quote from: davout on March 09, 2015, 02:33:32 PM

The true value that Bitcoin brings to the table is not "everyone gets to write into the holy ledger", it is instead "everyone gets to benefit from sane and non-inflationary financial instutions whose sanity and honesty are ensured by the holy blockchain".

No, that's where you lose the debate. Bitcoin's value is that everyone gets to write into the ledger and the fork will ensure that ideal is maintained. Why would anyone want to use a system that doesn't allow them to write into the ledger? A system that guarantees security for the few but forces risk and uncertainty onto the many? A system that won't process transactions quickly unless you're paying a huge fee? No one is going to settle for a second-tier service because a bunch of elitists think they're better than everyone else.

I've read every page of this thread, and the previous locked one. Those in favor of the 20mb fork have not met their burden of proof, and have resorted to dancing around the solid logic of those against it.

Like you, for example, trying to convince us you have psychic powers and can see into the future. Or are you a time traveler, who has returned to the past to warn us that WE MUST FORK BECAUSE OTHERWISE BITCOIN IS DOOMED?

20MB isn't anywhere near enough to achieve your hippy-dippy Kumbaya goal of allowing everyone to write into the Holy Ledger. Even Gavin and D&T admit that, so you are waaay off base.

Direct Holy Ledger access for every useless eater on the planet isn't going to happen, not with 1MB or with 20MB. For transactions that matter, there is Bitcoin and Monero. For everything else, we can create unlimited off-chain and alt-chain capacity.

The beneficial network effect describes the sum total of all that interoperable capacity, *NOT* the supposed infinitely positive marginal returns from heaping all tx into a single dataset. Justus and you need remedial economics lessons, because you fail to understand the law of diminishing marginal returns and the substitution effect:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginalism#The_.E2.80.9Claw.E2.80.9D_of_diminishing_marginal_utility
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_rate_of_substitution