Quote from: chompyZ on March 11, 2015, 12:20:09 PM

Quote from: derrend on March 11, 2015, 09:14:25 AM

Drak censoring the thread is a bit silly imho,

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censorship is against what each and every one in cypto believes. No reason for censored thread.
Trolls will always be, and users can answer, ignore, or press the 'ignore automatically' button.
Community members should feel free to talk bout WHATEVER they wish, may it be price, ideas, dissatisfaction, trading, mining, whatever.

Quote from: derrend on March 11, 2015, 09:14:25 AM

If you're an investor in via it should be because you believe its technological direction to be superior to bitcoin and win out in the long run.

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If you're an investor in via you should come to terms that you are taking a BIG risk, and MOST LIKELY you will lose all your investment. If you can't handle such loss, dump all or at least what you can't afford to lose. Now that you are indifferent to the VIA price, anything can happen- worst: VIA becomes a worthless zombie coin; best- smart contracts and Turing complete scripts are imported from Ethereum, treechains are tested, people build apps on VIA/CH... who knows.

Quote from: derrend on March 11, 2015, 09:14:25 AM

The silence has been deafening these past few months and Drak did f**k up in that respect

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Most coders I've met in my life tend to underestimate the importance of communications and why lack of it creates tension or distrust. Drak certainly experienced a cold shower, but imho don't expect him to become open and communicative just because of this experience. It is our job to ask, address him, and engage him to answer. If it's only up to him, then imho by nature, a coder remains a coder... [no offence Drak- you are an excellent coder but community/communication might not be your "thing"

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Quote from: derrend on March 11, 2015, 09:14:25 AM

If you aren't looking at the current price of viacoin as an amazing opportunity right now then...

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I see viacoin as a technology experiment, and a lottery investment. The experiment can succeed technologically but fail investment wise, or vice versa, or both, or neither. At these prices, at half these prices, or any other price- still no-one can provide not even an educated guess about the future, neither Drak, nor Peter Todd, nor masternode, or anyone else. That is why it's important to stick to a position you can afford to lose, write it off in your mind, and then join the community to help build/promote something. Bitcoin was written-off by so many people, so many times... apparently, any coin was written-off at this time or another, including litecoin, darkcoin, NXT, etc. etc..

Quote from: spartak_t on March 11, 2015, 10:39:47 AM

Many people here (me included) thinks that VIA needs more adoption

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adoption is an illusive term. Adoption by whom?
users? honestly, why should users convert to using viacoin when they have bitcoin...
merchants? why would they use viacoin when they have bitcoin, and even that is hardly used...
imho, adoption has different stages, with each stage tapping to a different adoption vector.
Right now, viacoin is simply no match for bitcoin as a currency [bitcoin is more accepted, recognized, traded, distributed, wallets, merchants, etc].
Adoption of CH as a decentralized market will also fail because it is based on a narrowly distributed coin [Viacoin] and can not compete with centralized exchanges in speed, volume, range of coins, etc.

I believe Viacoin's adoption right now should be 'app-developer adoption', i.e. convincing app developers to build their apps on CH.
Any app will do- a game, a discount token, an art-authentication app.... anything

We can do this in one of two ways I can think of-
1) community members rout connections to potential app builders and start-ups to Drak's direction and nag until the parties communicate.
2) community decides on an app project, and instead of throwing money on useless PR/ branding, we finance the first app and release it as an open-source proof-of-concept that can later be the base to drive more devs to build apps on VIA/CH.

We missed getgems, but i know there are other potential app-builders waiting on the fence...
They need some persuading to do, and with community members' connections + Drak's hands-on involvement, we might just succeed in flipping some of them our way instead of going to Ethereum, NXT, Bitshares, Mastercoin, etc.

Good points. Especially the last.