Quote from: Hazir on March 22, 2015, 06:39:13 AM

I can tell you this - arguing about minor detail like: is it alright to sell these keys because they are violating civil or privacy laws or breaking TOS
is not gonna lead you anywhere. We all know it is somewhat grey area. So either Vod and every 'scambuster' here will become vigilant enough to mark EVERY MSDN seller and others who sell: HBO, NETFLIX, various service subscriptions, various other account sellers, premium services sellers and WHOLE other LOT of people who are dealing with this stuff right away or just stop and leave it be.

Unfortunately it is not a minor detail because criminal activity of any kind is not allowed on the forum. Violating TOS is NOT criminal, therefore it is a very important detail.

Quote from: Quickseller on March 22, 2015, 06:32:39 AM

I am not a lawyer, so I really don't know. I am just giving an example as to what laws might be broken if one was being broken. The key word in my statements about this is *might* - as in I am not 100% sure.

One reason why it might violate anti-piracy laws is that anyone can download most microsoft products, but cannot actually use them without the product keys. So if you use a stolen product key to unlock the software to use it then this would be the action that would be breaking the law. Now if the keys are really "stolen" or not is probably a different question

There is no maybe, this simply IS NOT A CRIME.
Copying software illegally = a crime
Selling legally obtained registration keys = a violation of TOS and NOT a crime.

This very clearly does not fit the definition of software piracy because HE IS NOT PROVIDING ANY ACTUAL SOFTWARE! This whole criminal excuse is just some bit to justify VODs excessive, abusive, control freak extortionist behavior after the fact to save face and to attempt to manipulate staff into doing his dirty work for him.