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Quote from: Joshuar on March 24, 2015, 07:28:04 PM

How do you intend to prove they do exist?

1) By giving the simplest explanation for observations in various cases discussed on AECES top 40 website.
5) I will see if you can adequately explain the actual observations that were recorded in Eisenbeiss on AECES top 40. I think this is the most powerful case, and your explanation for it is inadequate. You do not provide an adequate reason to reject the evidence, and so you do not disprove the conclusion (from parsimony) that the source was communicating factual information that had "survived" death.

I see no basis for rejecting the evidence of Eisenbeiss and AECES top 40. You failed to plausibly explain ALL OF THAT, just like BADecker and the joint!!

Hey, leave me out of this one. I didn't make any claims about "souls," nor did I implicate any based upon my claims of Intelligent Design.

You did not engage with the survival hypothesis. Just like Joshuar did not provide adequate reason.

But I didn't make any claim about souls. No claim means there is nothing for you to make a counterclaim against.

I can't be accused of not refuting a certain point in a debate I wasn't participating in.

You questioned whether there was fraud involved. I answered that concern.

The simplest explanation is survival, so you should agree with my claim at this point.

Since we don't have any way to accurately measure or scientifically examine these things, the best we can do is...
1. Make sure that the reports aren't done fraudulently by the operators;
2. Sit back and say that, at this stage of examination, we don't know what or why or, really, how.

For example. There are many medical cures where the doctors involved don't have a clue about how the cure could have been achieved. We simply don't know what or why or how.

We don't know that mediumship, or the taking of hallucinatory drugs, doesn't bring about contact with malevolent spirits. Perhaps we should refrain from such activities for fear of being overcome by malevolent spirits until we understand exactly what is going on, and until we can retain REAL control at all times in the operations.

Since there is little or no real scientific explanation, we should not be doing this.