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As I said earlier, not equally. The government will have a hell of a easier time forcing masternode owners to give themselves in or just taking down the servers the masternodes are hosted on, than forcing users of Monero or Zerocash to do the same. It's a hell of a lot harder for the gov to do that to users of coins that dont utilize external masternodes to provide anonymity(monero).

For non gov entities, I suppose finding another flaw in darksends rounds, or a flaw in masternodes themselves would be much more plausible.

Look, people host MNs on VPS cos it's easy to do and the workload is lightweight (presently). You think if Guv started going after VPS people would still host on there? No, they'd host in just the same places that Monero workloads are hosted, meaning the challenge of finding the nodes would be equitable.

Anyway, the point is that guv/TLA is an unassailable adversary - they're going to win whatever you do.

The real-world, fit-for-purpose debate has to be around lesser adversaries, so give me just one example of such an adversary who could mount a successful attack on a 2,400 strong network of nodes spread across 30+ countries.

I know, I'm saying that you cannot compare these coins equally, since taking down a coin's anonymity with masternodes like Dash is much easier than taking down a coin that doesn't use masternodes like Monero.. Thats it. If a scenario came where the government was banning all use of cryptocurrencies etc, you can expect masternodes on coins to be one of the first things taken down by the government.

The challenge of finding the nodes? The ip's of all masternodes are in the open.

I gave an example of someone finding another flaw in darksends code and being able to deanonymize transactions, or finding a flaw in the masternodes themselves.

Prove your claim, otherwise its conjecture.

Anyone can spout anything they want, without evidence its just bullshit.

Prove your claim

Are you trolling? Most masternodes are hosted on centralized servers online, such as Amazon. The government can easily subpoena Amazon or simply forcefully take control of the server the masternodes are hosted on. Ring Signatures has been around for over a decade, monero uses no external nodes to rely on for anonymity, meaning it'd be much harder for a gov entity to do the same thing to Monero than it could do to Dash.

You dont seriously need a explanation for something this mediocre do you...

Prove anonymity can be broken easier in dash, not that a single country can take over a vps. That requires demonstrative evidence, not your opinion.

Prove anonymity can be broken in dash easier than monero.
I will help

1. break anonymity in dash
2. break animosity in monero
3. compare resources required for step 1 and 2

See you have a logic failure, to claim anonymity can be broken easier in dash than monero, PRESUPPOSES anonymity can be broken in either. You have literally argued monero is flawed. Well done.

Do you even know what was being discussed, troll? We're not talking about breaking the anonymity(To which it would still be easier to do for Dash), but for how easy it would be for a gov to take down the anonymity/coin.

Go back under your troll bridge thanks.

Let me help you out, not discussing anonymity? Look up a little to the giant bold letters.

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since taking down a coin's anonymity with masternodes like Dash is much easier than taking down a coin that doesn't use masternodes like Monero/

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Since I call out your easily proved lies and logically fallacies I'm a troll. Tongue

I said taking down anonymity, are you dumb? Is taking down anonymity synonymous with breaking into the anonymity?No. So, please, get educated.

Then you are misinformed, coins are pre-mixed. Once mixed, all master nodes can vanish. Anonymity remains, and yes you can use a cold wallet, since last summer.