Quote from: RenegadeMan on March 28, 2015, 09:35:55 PM

Quote from: Sub-Ether on March 28, 2015, 08:35:15 PM

Quote from: Otoh on March 28, 2015, 08:19:54 PM

The 8 veils of slavery,
https://youtu.be/Z628DOdE7RI

Interesting.

The Matrix series of films suggests a "simulation" we're all likely a part of, except I don't believe that upon breaking out of it we'll find ourselves still within physical bodies wired up to some gigantic computer that's using us for evil intent. It's more likely that what appears to be a physical realm we're all occupying, with all its drama, tragedy and chaos, is but a mock up of what's real and what we experience in this supposed realm depends on the depth of our convictions and belief of its reality and that what's conveyed to us by our five physical senses is indeed truth. As per the "8 veils" video, this is what most people never ever question because they accept all these "authorities". It's just the same as how I could let myself be mesmerised into believing numbers and notes can only be used if I have physical instances of them - so when I want to do sums I have to get my boxed set of physical numbers made of wood or plastic out and arrange them on the table in front of me and I only have so many '4's and '7's and '8's etc, so am limited in what sums I can do....an absurdity of course). Likewise we've been mesmerised into believing we're trapped in matter in these physical bodies that are easily destroyed yet matter is most likely just a construct of the human mind; nothing more.

Ultimately "But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding" will become as common an understanding as "I am alive, I have a physical body, I exist now but I will be dead sometime in the future" and we will transform into what we really always have been, way way beyond our current limited perspective.

Wink

Righto! There's your completely whacko right-out-there-on-the-distant-edge commentary for the day and my outing of myself as "insane". Resume normal I'm-a-physical-being-on-planet-earth discussion...

While this is certainly off topic, I have some time at the moment, and this is certainly a more pleasant diversion than troll baiting. Roll Eyes

The Matrix films did a fairly good job of denting the materialistic/reductionist world view held by contemporary western society, but it made no significant attempt to provide a coherent replacement. The "8 veils" video from my perspective did little other than support the misguided, but wise sounding statement by Lao Tzu, when he said, "Those who know do not speak, and those who speak do not know." The truth is that fools are common and speak often, while the wise are rare and speak seldom. Those who know, do indeed speak, but are seldom heard, and even less seldom listened to, and even less seldom than that--heeded.

RenegadeMan, your example of number blocks was excellent; few realize that this is not 2. (How is that for a paradox? Grin

) For that matter even fewer ever realize that they have never seen light. Let me explain... consider the light emanating from the screen you are currently reading. That light enters your eyes through the lens and is focused upside down on your retinas. There the photons of light excite certain molecules which then initiate an electrical impulse in your optic nerve. This impulse causes the release of neurotransmitters from the distal end of the nerve, which then float into the synapse. If enough of them land on receptors on the adjoining nerve, another electrical impulse is initiated and the process continues. Eventually the impulse is split and sent to various regions of the brain which are specialized for responding to things like shape, movement, color, texture, faces, and a host of others. Please note this is a very truncated explanation of what goes on.

As you know, if your optic nerve is severed, you will be blind even though your eyes are perfectly functional. Yet, and here is the key point, light does not travel down the optic nerve--chemical and electrical signals do. YOU, whoever and whatever YOU are, does not see light. YOU see the inside of your brain and integrate all of the many visual centers into a single image of the external world around you. Further proof of this can be seen Shocked

by considering just what it is that YOU look at when YOU dream. Modern materialistic scientism believes that YOU are simply the product of the activity of your brain. In less than an hour I can show the fallacy of this, but it would take maybe ten pages, and is more effective with personal interaction. As a hint, just consider the color green. What is it? How do you know?

Back to the 8 veils; the issue is not how do we pierce the veils, but of recognizing that we are as incapable of piercing them as we are of seeing light--and that it does not matter. The moderator claims ignorance of the seventh veil, and in truth it is the only thing any of us know--it is SELF. Until that dies, all the other veils remain intact and it does not matter what we think we see. I am inclined to agree with the moderator that the eight veil is fellowship with the creator, but that would require far more than an hour, or 10 pages, to justify. Suffice it to say I stand with the one whose death tore the eighth veil.

In summary I will simply say that world-views/philosophies are much like markets, and the the following words from our wise fellow TokeNormal apply:

Quote from: toknormal on March 28, 2015, 10:40:08 PM

Quote from: e1ghtSpace on March 28, 2015, 09:36:49 PM

Wow I feel like a complete retard for selling my 23 dark for 0.2 btc 2 weeks ago.
Every single trade I make is always the wrong one.

Remember that markets only work well when people put their own value on the asset independently of the prevailing price.

The so called "market price" is a bit of a misleading term because that's just the value of the last sale which - if you look at the market depth - corresponds to almost nobody's order value. Most people value the asset at either above or below the market price.

Unless your day trading (in which case one needs to use and understand charts otherwise your almost guaranteed to loose all your money) then think of investing like buying a house - i.e. you either want and can afford it or you don't. Once you've got it you live in it and the prevailing market price doesn't make a damn bit of difference to the utility value you get from it. The market can boom or crash but you'e still got your house which is the thing you wanted in the first place.

The "wrong" trade is the one which liberates you of something you value... SNIP

We now return you to your regularly scheduled troll fest...

Peace to you all...

Strix