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This whole debate is becoming a bit superfluous IMO because it's concerning itself with completely the wrong criteria.

- Correct, the real problem DRK has that i don't need to own the masternodes, just the majority of coinjoins.

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Bitcoin itself is already anonymous by virtue of having eliminated counterparties (the banking system) from the monetary system. There is no legal, informational or other link between a bitcoin address and an actual person - it can only be 'inferred'.

- It's not and was never intended to be, it's pseudonymous, on the other hand if you think its anonymous enough then there really is no reason for DRK to exist.

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The problem therefore isn't one of 'hiding' and encryption, it's one of maintaining a high level of monetary fungibility so that one unit of the currency is reasonably indistinguishable from another in terms of value.

- Of course it is; Only with encryption you can defeat the fungibility issue, DRK doesn't make it more fungible, you mix dirty coins with other dirty coins the same as a BTC mixer or darkwallet, after a while most coins will be tainted and you have the same problems as BTC or even worse.

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There already is a historical precedent for this and it has nothing to do with secrecy, encryption or hidden transactions. It's simply a monetary medium known as 'cash', which for thousands of years has implemented optimal fungibility through successive mixing of multiple inputs into a single output and recycling that process iteratively.

- Thats untrue, banknotes get marked and they have serial numbers, If you get banknotes from a known bank robbery and they get marked they get confiscated and you lose them.

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What is a cash drawer in a high street shop ? - a mixer ! People turn up all day long, buy stuff with cash, incrementing the balance in the cash drawer on a piecemeal basis. Than when trading closes, the cash is deposited as a lump sum in the bank (as a single 'output').

- And what does that "mixer" do? Nothing... Have fun "mixing" your 5 million stolen from a bank robbery cash bills this way, it works as slow as mixing with darksend, you won't get them mixed before you die...

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This is the model that should be carried into cryptocurrencies because it optimises both anonymity and visibility which, contrary to what many argue, are complimentary properties not exclusive ones. Bitcoin's publicly viewable ledger was one of the great breakthroughs of Satoshi's model. What it was missing was the 'cash drawer' recycling element that characterised base monetary media for centuries, keeping them fungible and re-enforcing their anonymity with respect to connecting ownership to real world persons.

- DRK doesn't create infungible money, it's the same as Darkwallet and a Mixer, you just get other dirty coins back....nothing is reinforced there, heck people aren't even forced to use darksend and no one will because it's a pain use.

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By encrypting and hiding everything, all we're doing is burying all those great features that make the mechanics of the cryptocurrency visible, accountable and publicly 'ownable'. So what if someone manages to trace back a single cash movement to its originating address ? That doesn't amount to 'de-anonymisation' in terms of connecting that address to a person because there is a whole chain of 'cash drawer' steps that precede even the detected address (and the one before that and....). Even if it did there are far easier ways to connect a real person to an address than wasting months of effort and computing power trying to discover which 'cash drawer' originally contained my pizza payment.

- trololol. Then let's just use Bitcoin.

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This is why I've consistently argued that it's not a question of which approach does the best job of hiding a transaction, it's a question of which one enhances all monetary properties - in this particular case, fungibility & privacy - in a way that most optimally compliments all other properties of digital money. In that respect, all this 'hiding from the NSA' stuff is a complete distraction. If they want to know who you are and what you spend your money on there are far easier ways for them to do that than trawling blockchains. That's only one of hundreds of electronic footprints that people have and probably the best protected anyway, regardless of what technology it deploys.

- No you argued because you apparently have a big stake of DRK and all you want is more money, in fiat terms.

I may quote yourself:

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Thats why I didn't invest in XMR. Because it's run by a couple of trainspotters who don't understand money.

I wonder who doesn't understand the word money here.