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Why do you keep on resisting the knowledge that God exists when it has been proven to you, when you can prove it to yourself?

If you have proof of god then you have lost your faith in god. You cannot have proof and faith at the same time.
Why are you insisting people lose their faith in existence of god?

As I explained to you the last time you said this, faith doesn't have to be blind faith.

For example, if you hold up your closed hand and say, "I have a folded up $5 dollar bill in my closed hand," some people have faith that you are telling the truth. Others think that you are lying.

Those who have faith that you are holding a $5, can see your hand and you for a fact. So, they can have faith that the $5 might be there, 'cause they don't know you very well. Others who know you better, can see that you are there, and that you are holding up your hand (facts), but because they know you, they know that there is great probability that you are lying. Thus they have faith that there is NOT a $5 in your hand.

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Quote from: BADecker on March 30, 2015, 08:23:50 AM

Wake up and see that God really DOES exist so that you can go the next step and see the good that He is all about... FOR YOU.

What next step? There is no next step.

Besides the above, you can't read very well, can you. Too much meth, right? Destroyed your abilities to think straight, right?

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Well thanks for pointing out that having faith in something doesnt mean it exists. You are making arguments against yourself now.

The only argument that I am making is the one that I am not making any arguments except the argument that I am not making any arguments.

You want proof for the existence of God? Read the stuff at this link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395.

Already proven that everything there is just a bunch of fallacies, hell even when you tried to defend yourself you did it with another fallacy.

No. The only thing proven is that you can SAY a bunch of stuff about things being not proven.

Nope i actually even gave you the definitions and the wikipedia page, i dont know what else do you want

Its like someone insulted someone else, i tell him he is insulting, he says he is not, i give him the definiton of an insult and he keeps saying he is not insulting, thats pretty much you right now.

Now you are getting really far out. Anybody can write things into Wikipedia. And you want to call that proof? The things that I express at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395 are self-evident evidences that prove the existence of God. All you need do is think them out.

"Self-evident evidences" is a contradiction. The definition of "self-evident" means that no evidence is needed to know it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-evidence

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In epistemology (theory of knowledge), a self-evident proposition is one that is known to be true by understanding its meaning without proof.

The exception is that you can find many people who have so trained them against the evidence, that even if it is self-evident to most, it still won't be evident to them. It's called brainwashing, and they do it to themselves. As you can see from this thread, many atheists are among those who have so alienated themselves against what is self-evident, that it is necessary to call it evidence just to show them that it is something they can calculate their way through.

No, there is no exception. If a belief is based upon external evidence, then it is not self-evident.

Example: It is self-evident that a bible is evidence of a bible. It is not self-evident that a bible is evidence that God exists.

Example 2: It is self-evident that complexity is complex. It is not self-evident that complexity means something created it.