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it's more like math hasn't got to the stage where it can describe complex systems, i.e. chaotic systems, e.g. weather, turbulence, market behaviour. ..

A picture is worth 1000 monkeys right?

http://dp8hsntg6do36.cloudfront.net/53695e6b69702d3910050000/low.webm

So i guess that by that you are saying that math is so developed it can even describe the formation of the whole universe because you watched a video of a computer model?.

And andytoshi said "I'm not sure what you mean by "math hasn't got to the stage where it can describe complex systems". I have a math degree and several published papers in mathematics and I can't for the life of me square this claim with actual work in the field. "

So neither of you are aware of some fundamental unsolved maths problems which appear quite mundane, like a complete model for how turbulence works: "In particular, solutions of the NavierStokes equations often include turbulence, which remains one of the greatest unsolved problems in physics, despite its immense importance in science and engineering."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navier%E2%80%93Stokes_existence_and_smoothness
https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2007/03/18/why-global-regularity-for-navier-stokes-is-hard/

or until a few years ago we didn't even have a model for how sound waves actually work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_acoustics

both complex systems....math not work yet (ok non-linear acoustics was just found...)

And my point that it is more secure to remove information from a system than to keep it in the system encoded, which means you don't need cryptography for all parts of a cryptocurrency, was avoided.

ay, no offense but youre a dumbass. i just read your posts and all of them are wrong. your copy pasting stuff from wikipedia and have no clue about any of it.

post starts with 'you are stupid' - you must be an XMR investor?

i will try to make my point clearer, maybe i am not communicating well enough:

DRK anonymity - does not rely on cryptography, information required to deanonimize is not accessible after the anonimization

XMR anonymity - relies on cryptography, information required to deanonimize is accessible in the blockchain (encrypted) at any time after the anonimization

...then my understanding is people like andytoshi are saying 'you have to use cryptography' and xmr people are saying 'there has to be mathematical proof' to prove the anonimity is secure - my references to complex systems were trying to explain this isn't true. what has cryptography got to do with moving information out of a system (by making it more ambiguous)? how is using a process like cryptography better in this case? encrypting the info to deanonimize e.g. a darknet transaction and storing it on the blockchain in-perpetuity seems like a really dumb idea for anyone who cares about security.

this is supposed to be an 'XMR vs DRK' thread, I haven't seen this point yet, everyone who just calls me stupid instead of showing how the above is stupid *is stupid* Cheesy

You can't deanonymize anything on the Monero blockchain without the private key or view key of a transaction or wallet! That's all you can see, is what a key reveals. You can deanonymize DRK by MITM attacking the masternodes, a trivial task for law enforcement when such a large amount of Masternodes are on third party providers e.g. Amazon AWS.

ok so you are accepting my premise of the differences. you just have a different opinion on the comparative security. Your opinion is that MN network is easy to compromise and because you need the private key in XMR it is bullet proof forever. And my opinion is that it is actually extremely difficult to gain control of the MN network to deanonimize transactions (94.00% control for a 0.708% chance of deanonimizing a transaction) and that secondly if there is any vulnerability found in the XMR ring signature implementation at any time in the future, you can go back and deanonimize *everything* (for example if a Heartbleed style vulnerability was found in XMR's ring sig implementation, instead of just patching it and moving forward, the whole currency goes bang).

so maybe exchanging opinions like this, instead of calling people 'charlatans' and 'stupid', might help investors... (who are coming here to learn the difference between XMR and DRK)