Quote from: redsn0w on April 09, 2015, 06:02:36 AM

I've opened this thread only to see what are the people (in this forum) thinking about the general Palestine and israel situation.

You're trolling me by continuing to write "israel". That's funny. Nazis aren't usually known for their sense of humor.

Anyone who reads through this thread can clearly see there's been hardly any discussion of the conflict. Maybe part of the problem is that people don't even know how such a discussion would look.

Let's suppose we were discussing a car. I said, "That car is blue." You said, "That car is red." These are statements that can be true or false. How do we determine which is true? Can they both be true? Can they both be false? What are the dependencies? Some other statements are not "true or false" statements, like "Have a great day."

Now maybe I say the car is blue and you say the car is red because we're pointing at different cars. In that case there's just a misunderstanding that can be cleared up as part of the discussion. Or maybe we're pointing at the same car but we have different definitions of "red" and "blue." In that case the car could be both JJ-blue and sn0w-red but not JJ-red and not sn0w-blue. In that case we're disagreeing about the use of language, but not about the state of the world. Finally it could be that we're pointing at the same car, have the same definitions of colors, and yet still disagree. In that case, we would start considering other relevant statements.

Other relevant statements would again be of the true or false variety, but would be relevant because they could provide evidence about the color of the car.

My first post on this thread contained a sequence of questions and a link at which a reader who wished to be better informed could learn more. The only person who responded to this was the out-of-the-closet Nazi.

My primary assertions in this thread have been:
(1) The reason Israel is so criticized is that it is held to a different standard than other countries/peoples.
(2) The reason Israel is held to a different standard is because it is Jewish and people have a problem with Jews.

The out-of-the-closet Nazi gave good, informed responses to the questions I posed, but this only reinforces my assertions (1) and (2). Why? Because the out-of-the-closet Nazi openly says he holds Jews to a different standard and that he has a problem with Jews. (He believes this attitude is appropriate because of some historic problems he has with Jewish people.)

Now maybe all of you believe (1) and (2) but you think you would look bad admitting it, or maybe you don't know how to argue against it. It should be clear to anyone paying the least amount of attention to the world that for every "bad" thing Israel has done there is some other nation that has done something far worse. Why the focus on Israel? Well, because of (1) and (2), obviously.

There have been very few meaningful true-or-false style assertions in this thread, but one was this:

Quote from: geforcelover on April 04, 2015, 05:09:52 PM

Well simple is that isreal is the worst enemy of Muslims .

The term "worst enemy of Muslims" is a property, like a car being red or blue. Now, how can we determine if something is the "worst enemy of Muslims"? Probably we have different criteria, and it's not something I'd like to spend a lot of time thinking about. To be honest, I'd think the "worst enemy of Muslims" is anyone who presents information leading to the conclusion that Muhammed was not a prophet, as the undermines the fundamentals of their religion. I'm not aware of Israel going on a campaign of undermining the idea that Muhammed was a prophet. (To my dismay, Israeli spokesmen never defend cartoonists who even draw Muhammed.)

But, let's take a different criteria. Let's say the "worst enemy of Muslims" is a title that belongs to the group that kills the most Muslims. Do any of you seriously think that if we count the dead Israel will even be in the top 10? Look at ISIS. Look at various civil wars. Look at how Jordan dealt with Black September. The only way to get Israel to the top of that list is to consider Israel to be the "real cause" of the deaths. For example, ISIS is killing lots of Muslims, but someone could say the reason ISIS is killing so many Muslims is because of something Israel did or didn't do (or both). So then the blame gets shifted to Israel. This kind of blame-shifting happens when the topic actually gets discussed, but for the most part what's happening is a social phenomenon.

Someone says:

Quote from: geforcelover on April 04, 2015, 05:09:52 PM

Well simple is that isreal is the worst enemy of Muslims .

The purpose of this statement is not to be examined as something true or false. The purpose is to communicate to the board: this is what our bitcointalk politics subforum believes. Adopt these beliefs or leave. It's a lot like religion that way. Well, except bitcointalk can remove your account while religious fanatics cut your fucking head off, so it's a little different.

Now let's go all the way back to the OP which contained this question:

Quote from: redsn0w on April 04, 2015, 05:06:49 PM

If your country would be invaded like Palestinan what would be your thought?

I'm assuming "like Palestinan" is intended to be "like Palestine." You have a presupposition in this question. It's subtle. The presupposition is that Israel invaded a country called Palestine. The first of my many questions in my first post was this one:

When was Palestine a country?

The out-of-the-closet Nazi confirmed that it was never a country in the sense the term is used today. Now maybe you think it was a country in some other sense and at some time in the past. If so, what is that sense and what was that time period? If someone were to give a new definition of "being a country", then we could also apply it to other regions at other times in the past. It might have consequences you don't intend. It might mean Kurdistan was/is a country and that certain Muslim groups/countries have spent years invading them and stealing their land. It might even imply Israel was a country at some time in the past and was invaded and its land was stolen. What a wrench in the works that would cause!

Fortunately you don't have to think about any of these issues deeply. Just signal that you're anti-Israel so you're accepted.

TLDR: You're not talking about the conflict. You're confirming to each other that you're against Israel so everyone knows you "belong". Your statements are intended to signal this "belonging" rather than be "true or false." You're all ignorant of history and happily so. And you're all Nazis (in or out of closets) who should die in a fire.

PS: I thought some more about how to bring about the extinction of the Nazi human species. There could be a chemical introduced into the ecosystem which causes chemical castration so that humans cannot effectively reproduce. Surely someone's done some work on this before. Maybe someone can point me towards it. Thanks! If such a chemical castration idea worked, we could finally have Peace in our Time!