Quote from: saddampbuh on April 04, 2015, 05:24:11 PM

the zionists must be the only people on earth who could settle in someone else's country and create a jewish majority country by expelling most of the original inhabitants and successfully fool much of the civilized world into calling those people terrorists when they try and defend themselves

Zionists aren't a people, but rather a movement working towards a homeland for the Jews. And they succeeded.

Palestine was not someone else's country, but rather an area under British administration in the years before Israel was founded.

I'm not sure who you are referring to as the original inhabitants, as Palestine had a rather small population before the Jewish immigration started around 1900.

Yes, Arabs were expelled from Israel, but this was because of the war that several Arab countries started in an attempt to wipe out the newly founded state. As a matter of fact, there were about 50/50 Arabs and Jews in Israel originally. Had the Arabs not started the war, all those people would not have been refugees today.

As for defending themselves, do you really consider launching rockets at civilians a form of defense?

Quote from: saddampbuh on April 04, 2015, 06:21:05 PM

not the same because colonists in those places eventually granted the natives their rights whereas israel continues to disenfranchise arabs while portraying itself as a victim.

This is not true. Israeli Arabs do have their full rights, and they also have laws protecting them as a minority. Furthermore, Arabic is an official language in Israel.

You can't expect Israel to give equal rights to foreigners, and no other state on earth does that.

Quote from: jaysabi on April 04, 2015, 06:14:29 PM

Perhaps I am mistaken, but my understanding was that Israel was "the promised land" that their god promised his "chosen people." That is how they justify the expelling of the Palestinians in 1947. Correct me if I do not have this correct.

Many of the Zionists that worked towards the creation of Israel were Socialists and Atheists. So no, the religious angle is not really relevant. Israel was founded as a secular state by a largely secular group of people.

And they didn't expel the Palestinians in 1947. The large wave of Palestinian refugees was created in 1948, when Arabs attacked Israel in an attempt to wipe it out.