Quote from: redsn0w on April 05, 2015, 10:29:49 AM

Quote from: jaysabi on April 04, 2015, 09:54:18 PM

Quote from: patt0 on April 04, 2015, 06:28:43 PM

^ lol and how many centuries later was that? xD
Israel still has a lot of time then if that is your view.

Quote from: jaysabi on April 04, 2015, 06:14:29 PM

Quote from: patt0 on April 04, 2015, 06:05:45 PM

Quote from: jaysabi on April 04, 2015, 05:51:25 PM

I think it's impossible for there to be peace. Both sides claim the land, both sides are willing to kill to have it, and both sides claim their right to the land is from their god. The problem is, there were people living there before Judaism and Islam became prominent, so I don't recognize either of them as having a more legitimate claim to the land over the other, and even less so when their justification is "because my god said so."

I don't think the problem is they claim the right to the land comes from somewhere else.
The problem is people already live in the land of the occupied territories and Israel keeps building more settlements there and expelling the Palestinians.
And I think the official position of the Palestinians is they accept the two state solution, but Israel doesn't and doesn't give any alternative. They just say they are negotiating, and keep on building more settlements and making the situation worse. : /

Perhaps I am mistaken, but my understanding was that Israel was "the promised land" that their god promised his "chosen people." That is how they justify the expelling of the Palestinians in 1947. Correct me if I do not have this correct.

Maybe that is the way they justified it at the time, but the truth is they also need a land to live in, and they have other concerns too like security.
I don't think it means there can't be peace and that someone must be expelled, but I think other problems are the source and not religion.

They were all living some place before they came back and carved Israel out of Palestine. It doesn't have to be where it is now, but it is because they believe their god promised this land to them. Religion is the root cause. They don't want to live anywhere, they want to live on the magic land.

But they can live (the two population) in one land, the problem is they want to "find" common rules for live together in that land (call you as you like, palestine or israel). All we are world citizen, or am I wrong?

Ah, but you see? You and I might agree we are all world citizens, but we have a different viewpoint. We may identify as humans first, the same as all others. Tribal identity clouds this. People who identify with a tribe create barriers to differentiate themselves with other people. "American" "British" "Russian" "Israeli" "Palestinian" "Arab" "Jew" "Christian" "Muslim"... all of these are classifications someone might identify with first, to differentiate themselves from anyone who is not part of their tribe. Tribal identity allows people to commit terrible acts, because you're not harming people like YOU, they're different or inferior, or any other mental gymnastics you have to do to justify terrible treatment to fellow human beings.

And speaking as an outsider, I can't understand the animosity and centuries worth of tensions that run between these two groups. It's different for me to look at this conflict and say "it looks stupid and why don't they all just stop killing." That's my stance, but it comes from being on the outside.