Quote from: username18333 on April 09, 2015, 05:52:06 AM

Quote from: r3wt on April 09, 2015, 05:46:36 AM

Quote from: username18333 on April 09, 2015, 05:41:38 AM

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Do you acknowledge that you can confuse the hyperreal (here, any network of symbols that reference each other but nothing else) for the real (here, the physically extant)?

belief is a choice, so you certainly can. beyond this observation, i'm hardly qualified to pontificate on this matter.

(Red colorization mine.)

Quote from: username18333 on January 19, 2015, 10:48:37 PM

Quote from: Dr. Gary E. Aylesworth, Eastern Illinois University, Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, 2005 link=http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/postmodernism/#6

Baudrillard presents hyperreality as the terminal stage of simulation, where a sign or image has no relation to any reality whatsoever, but is its own pure simulacrum (Baudrillard 1994, 6). The real, he says, has become an operational effect of symbolic processes, just as images are technologically generated and coded before we actually perceive them. This means technological mediation has usurped the productive role of the Kantian subject, the locus of an original synthesis of concepts and intuitions, as well as the Marxian worker, the producer of capital though labor, and the Freudian unconscious, the mechanism of repression and desire. From now on, says Baudrillard, signs are exchanged against each other rather than against the real (Baudrillard 1993, 7), so production now means signs producing other signs. The system of symbolic exchange is therefore no longer real but hyperreal. Where the real is that of which it is possible to provide an equivalent reproduction, the hyperreal, says Baudrillard, is that which is always already reproduced (Baudrillard 1993, 73). The hyperreal is a system of simulation simulating itself.

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Quote from: Leo Tolstoy, Tolstoy (1988) by A. N. Wilson, p. 146. link=http://izquotes.com/quote/273222

The truth is that the State is a conspiracy designed not only to exploit, but above all to corrupt its citizens Henceforth, I shall never serve any government anywhere.

Tribe is hyperreal and begets possession. Possession is [hyper]real and begets money. Money is hyperreal and begets state. State is [hyper]real and begets hyperreality.

It is a (post-)modern matter (r3wt) that besieges even the common man.

in my opinion, the premise is false.