Quote from: saddampbuh on April 09, 2015, 05:14:23 PM

Quote from: J. J. Phillips on April 09, 2015, 11:55:55 AM

The out-of-the-closet Nazi gave good, informed responses to the questions I posed, but this only reinforces my assertions (1) and (2). Why? Because the out-of-the-closet Nazi openly says he holds Jews to a different standard and that he has a problem with Jews. (He believes this attitude is appropriate because of some historic problems he has with Jewish people.)

assume this refers to me. how's telling israel to stop building settlements on land the whole world says belongs to someone else and return to its internationally recognised borders holding it to a different standard?

Yes, it refers to you. Everytime you post I think of an old David Bowie song. I'm closer to the Golden Dawn...

I made three separate statements in what you quoted:

(1) You openly say you hold Jews to a different standard.
(2) You have a problem with Jews.
(3) You believe this attitude is justified historically.

I was basing this on an earlier statement of yours, but when I went back to requote it, I think it only justifies (2) and (3), which you probably don't disagree with. (If you don't have a problem with Jews and you don't think having a problem with Jews is historically justifiable, then you're seriously miscommunicating. Your signature and avatar are pretty fucking clear.) Here's the quote from you:

Quote from: saddampbuh on April 05, 2015, 02:19:18 PM

any normal person after being persecuted and expelled from 50 or whatever countries over centuries would eventually ask himself what he had done to be so disliked. for the jews and their supporters the answer is that the rest of the world must be mentally ill.

you're right about jews being held to a different standard to everyone else. they are allowed to talk openly about the need to preserve a jewish majority in their country, but when europeans talk about keeping britain british or france french we are evil racists who want to holocaust millions of brown people in poison gas showers

I didn't remember that in the second paragraph where you admit that Jews are held to a different standard, it's a sarcastic admission to say that the world allows them uniquely to be evil racists.

By the way, I'm planning to visit Mecca next year. Do you want me to bring you anything? Oh, right. I'm not allowed there. If the world didn't have double standards, wouldn't that fact (among many others) make Saudi Arabia an "apartheid state"? Doesn't really matter. The whole world knows Mecca belongs to the pagans.

To address your point in this message though, the "whole world" doesn't say certain land belongs to "someone else." It's disputed territory. The reason it's disputed is because the borders have never been agreed upon. There are no internationally recognized borders (if such a concept even has a meaning). The closest possibilities were the UN partition plan in 1947 and the almost-deal in 2000. Both times the Palestinians said no.

Let's analyze this "whole world."

There's the Muslim world. That's a huge chunk. (The Islamic world controls everything in the UN except the Security Council, in case anyone's trying to figure out the UN issue.) Of course Muslims believe all of Israel should be under Islamic rule. Muslims believe any land that was ever under Islamic rule at some point in the past is "stolen" from them. (There's sometimes a push to restore Islamic rule to Spain, i.e., al-Andalus. Is Spain "stolen land"? How long before "the whole world agrees" it is.) And, of course, the problems Muslims have with Jews date back to the time of Muhammad.

European countries tend to support the Palestinians. This is due to a combination of factors, with latent Jew-hatred playing an important role. More practical concerns are that they've dealt with Palestinian terrorism (e.g., Black September in Munich) and found it easier to just appease the terrorists. This has been amplified over the decades due to the rapid influx/increase in the Muslim population in Europe and the desire of leftist parties to get these populations into their political coalitions. The Arab oil embargo in the 70s also played a role. It happened over time. Europe tended to support Israel the first decades after WW2. Well, what remained of Europe. The book Eurabia from some years ago gives a lot of background about the European situation and how it developed.

The former Soviet block was often allied with Arab countries largely because the US was close to Israel. Plus the Soviets spent decades trying to get rid of their Jews. It's natural they wouldn't be sympathetic to Israel. (Many Israelis escaped persecution in Russia.)

Then there's subsaharan Africa. Just kidding. They've never heard of the issue.

I'm not sure what the situation is in South America. There was recently an issue where the Argentinian (leftist) leader had a prosecuter killed because he was investigating Iranian ties to a massacre of Jews in Argentina some years ago. Plus lots of Nazis escaped to that region. But, like I say, it's not something I've looked deeply into.

Finally let's consider the two big players: Israel and the US. Whether or not some of the disputed territory actually "belongs" to the Palestinians in any meaningful metaphysical sense, it's clear that the leaders in Israel and the US have demonstrated a willingness to cede control over some of the land if it leads to a lasting peace agreement. I think the idea of Palestinians living in peace next to a secure Israel is laughable, but Israel's made several peace deals with neighbors before.

You know, it's strange that since Jews control the power structure of the world that this issue is such a big deal. It seems like they would use their Jew power to make people focus on other things. Or maybe I don't see the brilliance of their Jew plan. /s (The slash s indicates I'm being sarcastic in the paragraph. That means I'm pretending to have different beliefs that I have in order to show how silly the beliefs are.)