Quote from: J. J. Phillips on April 09, 2015, 07:19:29 PM

I was basing this on an earlier statement of yours, but when I went back to requote it, I think it only justifies (2) and (3), which you probably don't disagree with.

its (1) i am disagreeing with, the part where you accused me of holding them to a higher standard. i don't.

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I didn't remember that in the second paragraph where you admit that Jews are held to a different standard, it's a sarcastic admission to say that the world allows them uniquely to be evil racists.

possibly not unique in the world but certainly unique among the supposedly civilised countries we think of as western. david cameron could never get away with saying he wants to preserve britain as a white majority country but when bibi says the same thing about israel and jews no one bats an eyelid.

israel must be preserved as a jewish country at all costs but for europeans americans and australians race is a social construct and we are told by politicians of all stripes that the flooding of our countries with third world immigrants who bring only poverty and crime is progress

because jews are special. because the holohoax. because iran is hitler.

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To address your point in this message though, the "whole world" doesn't say certain land belongs to "someone else." It's disputed territory. The reason it's disputed is because the borders have never been agreed upon. There are no internationally recognized borders (if such a concept even has a meaning). The closest possibilities were the UN partition plan in 1947 and the almost-deal in 2000. Both times the Palestinians said no.

no country on earth recognises the legitimacy of israeli settlements beyond the green line so yes, the whole world.

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wouldn't that fact (among many others) make Saudi Arabia an "apartheid state"?

saudi isn't occupied territory and neither is the vatican or any other bullshit irrelevant example you're going to come up with.

have no interest in getting into a back and forth about how mean other countries are and why does everyone pick on poor israel. these other countries aren't getting billions of dollars worth of weapons from america and germany along with diplomatic cover at the un nor do they have superpowers going to war on their behalf.

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Finally let's consider the two big players: Israel and the US. Whether or not some of the disputed territory actually "belongs" to the Palestinians in any meaningful metaphysical sense, it's clear that the leaders in Israel and the US have demonstrated a willingness to cede control over some of the land if it leads to a lasting peace agreement. I think the idea of Palestinians living in peace next to a secure Israel is laughable, but Israel's made several peace deals with neighbors before.

every deal the israelis have offered the palestinians involve israel keeping a fifth to a quarter of the west bank and virtually all of the illegal settlements and having control of the roads leading to those settlements and the borders and the sea ports and the airspace forever. that's not a state its a bantustan.