Quote from: deisik on April 11, 2015, 11:54:55 AM

Quote from: thaaanos on April 11, 2015, 11:39:22 AM

Quote from: deisik on April 11, 2015, 10:34:45 AM

Quote from: thaaanos on April 11, 2015, 09:39:54 AM

Quote from: deisik on April 11, 2015, 08:33:41 AM

No, I don't think that the central planning of economy can be made independent of a government system in the society. Really, how could you force people to accept what they should eat and wear if there would be no authoritarian rule that would tell them what they should think and say in the first place?

Otherwise, you should show how you could foretell every individual's whimsy and fancy in respect to their economic decisions

central planing is not about what consumers should consume, its about what producers should produce... the current system is dictating consumers what to consume.

I don't see much difference between directly making consumers consume what you want or intermediately through producers. It is all the same. Besides, how is the current system dictating consumers what to consume? Indeed, it influences your choices through mass media or whatever, but ultimately it is your individual preferences that matter. Otherwise, all people would consume absolutely the same goods and have the same tastes, right?

lets drop pretenses freedom <> freedom of choice <> choice variety.
I ask what is marketing? is it about finding what people want? if so what stops use of marketing in central planning?
Central planning is not about giving people a take it or leave it choice, its about meeting demand optimaly, and about not inflating demand

I don't understand what you mean by "dropping pretenses freedom <> freedom of choice <> choice variety". Care to explain? Furthermore, compare the consequences of marketing failure in predicting future demand and central planning failing to do the same (and waste of resources inflicted thereby)...

i mean that Freedom is not freedom of choice and that is not simply a choice variety, people tend to infer that a choice variety gives makes them free, and concluding that free market liberates men, and therefore the opposite must enslave men, so they go on crusading...
oh but marketing failure is invariant on both counts, but the point was that marketing is not about about finding what people want but about telling people what to want, therefore making the illusion of free choice irrelevant.
Marketing essentially neutralizes free choice therefore making it irrelevant and denying that argumentmto be used in the debate.