Quote from: twiifm on April 13, 2015, 05:18:31 AM

Quote from: dinofelis on April 13, 2015, 04:38:02 AM

Quote from: twiifm on April 12, 2015, 07:35:45 PM

How does this lead you to say social systems cant work?

I never said that social systems can't work. The confusion comes maybe because I said that most social engineering is based upon that misunderstanding. Social engineering. Wanting to transform the social relationships of humans, like communism or the like. Wanting people to want other things than their own interest.

I'm not a Socialist or Communist so don't mistake what I post as a proponent for Socialism or Communism. But I don't think you understand what Socialist means. Doesn't mean to transform social relationship of humans or making them want things other than their own interest.

It means the ownership is socialized (owned by the workers) as opposed to owned by capital (owners). If applied to macro like the Communist experiments of the 20th Cent., then clearly they all failed (with the exception of China)

But it can be applied to micro as well. I.e. co-ops vs corporations. Socialized healthcare (in Sweden, Canada, Uk, etc..). Social Security in USA. And so on

come to think of it internal corporate structure is centrally planed (he board) in capitalist countries while in socialists more free as if the required randomness is pushed inside.

so shouldn't in the free market all companies operate as Steam does? how do you explain it?