Quote from: abyrnes81 on April 13, 2015, 01:29:12 PM

What about israel? If palestine wasn't a country then also isreal isn't a country.

This is not true. Israel is a country - or an independent, sovereign state which gained independence in 1948.

Quote from: lophie on April 13, 2015, 01:29:30 PM

Okay, Lets start from there. What would you consider a country. Also considering the existence of natives in an area. What is accepted for you for a minority to start a country and how to deal with the existent natives? Lets see if Israel is one.

See above. Israel is a country. Palestine is not (and never was). Do people really want to argue that Palestine is an actual sovereign state?

At the time when Jewish immigration to Palestine started the area was sparsely population, and it was not an independent state. It was simply an area which was under administration by someone else. There was plenty of available land, and Jews took advantage of that and settled peacefully in available areas. Eventually the British defeated the Ottomans and took over administration of the area. They then decided to give the population there control of the area. And so they wanted to give Arabs some land and Jews some land.

The bottom line is that there was plenty of available land, and the area was to be divided into various independent states anyway. And unless one has racist attitudes, it is only just that the Jews get their own state as well, and not just the Arabs (who already got Jordan as well).

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It is funny how you expand by defending yourself. Epic logic. Especially calling this area of expansion "defending itself".

The allied forces occupied Germany during WWII. This was an act of self defense, after Germany had started a war. As I pointed out, military occupation is a perfectly legitimate way to defend oneself. Had the Arabs not attacked Israel, multiple times, Israel would not have been forced to defend itself.

Germany was also forced to hand over areas to other countries after WWII. The attacker lost land. But when Israel takes land from the attacker today, people are up in arms. This double standard is deeply troubling.