Quote from: Okurkabinladin on April 14, 2015, 05:52:36 AM

You nazis here find it completely fine, that biological mother is forbidden to use native language to the boys two times a year, when she is allowed visits by gestapo. You are completely fine with the fact, that norwegian state took foreign citizens without notifying their home country. You are completely fine, that not even your own courts and police can do anything to thwart decision by your Über-bureau.

It makes sense that once the child has been taken away from an abusive parent, the parent's meetings with the formerly abused child need to be supervised. And that isn't possible if the supervisors don't understand the language.

Quote from: Okurkabinladin on April 14, 2015, 06:07:28 AM

Hofor: "Now for my questions:
1) Do you really think one of the top countries on human rights would have an entire system in place just to terrorize innocent parents?"

Hilarious

Is your entire existence tied to some random list? United States is by most such lists, extremely rich country, yet third of its population is living on food tickets.

No, it is not some random list. Norway is, in fact, known for its respect for human rights. Do you know anything about Norway at all?

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2) "Do you really believe that a child was taken away from its parents because it lost a milk tooth?"

Now, this is really continuation of the first, right? Well, I actually DO believe, that social workers in Norway believe, that they are doing greater good (so did Pol Pot). They also believe, thanks to their misguided postmodern education, that family is merely biological construct and its members are really property of the state, they have also zero understanding of international law for they hold and keep foreign citizens without dealing with respective embassies.

You didn't really answer the question, but I'll bite.

It doesn't matter what individual CPS workers think (of course they are individuals like everyone else, and have different opinions on different things). It matters what the law says, and the law states that biology is in fact important. So once again the people criticizing the Norwegian CPS are making demonstrably false claims.

I'm still not sure what international laws you are referring to. Care to elaborate?

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Andrej Ručák, who lived in Norway for many years (and actually raises his son there), told me, that while Norway´s social workers are not inherently bad people, they see biological parents as merely temporary caretakers of the children Wink

Yes, in fact eating "too much" chocolate is a reason in Norway for Barnevernet attention, as is appearing "sad" in school or oh god forbid, being spanked by parent (thats pretty much outlawed already).

I don't know who this person is, but I do know that he is wrong. Why should one listen to someone who is spreading demonstrably false claims?

Yes, spanking is outlawed. Not just "pretty much", physical abuse of children is completely forbidden in Norway. It's an excellent example of Norway caring for the rights of the individual, in this case the child. Spanking is physical abuse, and research also shows that even spanking causes permanent brain issues, including slower development, etc. What gives you the right to physically abuse another human being, if I might ask?

It seems that those who criticize the CPS support the physical abuse of children. Things are becoming clearer... Can the rest of the people criticizing the CPS here clarify whether they think physical abuse, such as spanking a child, is acceptable?

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HOFOR, I dare you, will you comment on the fact, that not even your own courts are capable of overturning decision of local Barnevernet workers? It this how Norwegians see rule of law?

Of course the courts are able to overturn such decisions. The problem for your argument is that those decisions are strongly founded in the first place, and every time the CPS wants to take a child away from its parents it has to be approved by separate "court" of sorts ("fylkesnemnda", which consists of, among other things, ordinary people called in for duty). That can then be appealed to the courts, but since independent people have already looked into the matter you know that the CPS has a strong case.

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EDIT: Since you want citation of the law, but are completely unable to provide any yourself. Here is european framework for you. Have a nice read. Custody is always decided by court of law, not by random batshit insane, norwegian activist from Barnevernet. http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/family/children/parental-responsibility/index_en.htm

It isn't decided by CPS in Norway either. It's decided by Fylkesnemnda.

Your link doesn't really support your claim, by the way:

"The rules on custody and visiting rights are unique to each country. National laws determine who will have custody, whether custody will be single or shared, who will decide on the child's education, who will administer the child's property and similar issues."

It does say that court rulings are recognized across the EU, but that's not really the issue we're debating.