Quote from: Okurkabinladin on April 14, 2015, 10:21:23 AM

"maybe" you have misread EU statement. Indeed child custody is decided by national laws, after court proceedings, nothing like that takes place in Norway, where children are taken away by state after mere psychologist statement and lended to well payed foster parents after as little as one month, thus negating your statemenet about any significance of biological family in the first place.

Children are not taken away after "mere psychologist statement" as I pointed out several times. CPS can only take over custody after "Fylkesnemnda" has ruled on the case. Once again you have been caught making claims that are demonstrably false. I am sensing a pattern here.

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In the case of Michalak family, Barnevernet took the children away after alleged sexual abuse, that was negated as false by both local police and norwegian court.

Once again we only have claims with no evidence. Of course parents don't want to admit to abusing their children. But running to one's local press to state one's case is not evidence. It is just more hearsay. You can't link to random articles with an obvious bias towards the abusive parents.

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Barnevernet however refused to overturn its original decision

You still don't know about "Fylkesnemnda" and that a decision there needs to be appealed to the courts? If the CPS finds that there is evidence of abuse and Fylkesnemnda and the courts agree, I see no reason to change the decision.

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After national media and politicians took notice, Barnevernet once again refused to cooperate, unable to even state reasons, why the children were taken away

That's because they are bound by confidentiality laws. They can't comment on individual cases (I can't recall any cases they have commented specifically on in public). It might be a good idea for you to educate yourself a bit before forming opinions on something.

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Deputies of Barnevernet walked out. And why not? Since nobody in Norway is above them, they have nice socialist state within another socialist state.

Once again you seem to "forget" about Fylkesnemnda and the courts.

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Stance of head of state: http://rt.com/news/230951-czech-president-norway-nazi/

Yes, this certainly makes your claims more credible. I love it how you basically shoot yourself in the foot by posting things like this.

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As to your personal view, that spanking is not acceptable under any circumstances, how far are your compatriots willing to go in this? Is breaking apart family from different culture enough or should the biological relatives of disciplined ones be jailed along with Mr. Breivik in psychiatric asylum?

While it is my personal view that physically abusing children is wrong, that is not really important here. What's important is the human rights of the child, and the fact that physical abuse leaves permanent scars. The fact that research shows that physical abuse such as spanking actually affects the child's brain.

Of course, you don't really seem to care about the rights of the child. You think it should stay with abusive parents, and you think it's OK to physically abuse a child.

But I'm sorry. If you come to Norway thinking you can keep abusing your child, you are seriously mistaken. And this I believe might be the problem: People from cultures where physical abuse of children is accepted are perhaps often unable to understand that a country has actually banned physical abuse of chidren.

In Norway, you abide by Norwegian law. There's no point in debating that.

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EDIT: Those cases are not isolated. Norway already recieved 420+ official notices concerning its abuse of children with foreign passports. Quite a deed, considering it si country of mere five million people.

What official notices? From where?

Lots of unsourced claims. Lots of false claims. No evidence. That's a description of your posts.

Quote from: Okurkabinladin on April 14, 2015, 10:28:43 AM

Quote from: hofor on April 14, 2015, 06:42:14 AM

It doesn't matter what individual CPS workers think (of course they are individuals like everyone else, and have different opinions on different things). It matters what the law says, and the law states that biology is in fact important. So once again the people criticizing the Norwegian CPS are making demonstrably false claims.

I'm still not sure what international laws you are referring to. Care to elaborate?

Norwegian CPS-Barnevernet is violating United Nation Convention on Child Rights

Article 20 1. A child temporarily or permanently deprived of his or her family environment, or in whose own best interests cannot be allowed to remain in that environment, shall be entitled to special protection and assistance provided by the State. 3. Such care could include, inter alia, foster placement, kafalah of Islamic law, adoption or if necessary placement in suitable institutions for the care of children. When considering solutions, due regard shall be paid to the desirability of continuity in a child's upbringing and to the child's ethnic, religious, cultural and linguistic background. http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CRC.aspx

Which part of this is Norway violating, and how?