Quote from: bitillionaire on April 14, 2015, 05:58:14 PM

Quote from: vObh0n]6W on April 14, 2015, 05:06:14 PM

Quote from: bitillionaire on April 14, 2015, 04:39:45 PM

Quote from: vObh0n]6W on April 14, 2015, 03:44:08 PM

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Quote from: bitillionaire on April 14, 2015, 03:33:52 PM

Nearly 1600 pages in and this guy thinks it's a stretch to assume the majority of the moves which netted the Garza cartel the most money were deliberate and calculated?

I had an argument a couple hundreds pages back, where I argued that most of it was planned out and the other people on this thread thought that it was mostly incompetence. I've changed my mind slightly towards the other opinion since, but not completely. But small details like this seem like they would require a lot more competence than what I think GAW has.

In this particular case, we know they lost some developers. The developers that worked on paycoin as it was weren't too competent, as the blockchain forked near the beginning.

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Excuse you, Satoshi, but exactly how in the motherloving fuck is NOT PROVIDING DESKTOP WALLETS TO A POS COIN A SMALL DETAIL?

They provided desktop wallets. The problem was that they didn't update the builds. It's not like every coin does releases all the time. Just looking over https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/releases we see a 3 month gap in releases last year.

Scam apologist. Goddamn. A genuine scam apologist.

Not every coin is backed by a $100 million non-existent coin adoption fund. Not every coin has a deluded community who believe it will replace Bitcoin. Not every coin is proof-of-stake. Not every coin is 100% hype.

Some coins don't claim shit, like Woodcoin. Woodcoin is an alt I approve of. It's never claimed shit. The price has gone up, the price has come back down. But when I came to it, it was much the same as Bitcoin was in its early days, except it was a different algo (double-skein.) All I had to do to get Woodcoin was mine some of it. And at that time it wasn't worth shit. But, what the hell. Not like my PC could mine anything else. Then I noticed I could do a thing to the wallet, and I did, and people liked it, and in the meantime they've given me twice as much as ever mined. Which is nice of them. But they're not doing it because they need me, and I didn't contribute because I thought the coin would ever be worth much. But so far it has proven to be inflation resistant, which is kind of key. Ah fuck I'm rambling.

Point is, if it turned out the creator's intentions had distinctly been to scam us all, I wouldn't spend a lot of time defending him. I'd just dump the coins I had. But so far funkenstein the dwarf and the woodcoin community in general just seem to be doing their own thing. They don't make promises, and people don't get into woodcoin looking for them. It has a true distinguishing feature, and, most importantly, it's fun.

And the reason it's fun is because none of the people involved in it had to bet their children's future on it. None of the people involved are multi-millionaires, unless they were before they got involved with it.

So what I'm saying is that if you're going to start bringing up other coins and saying, X bullshit coin was also a scam, that doesn't excuse fuck all. You and I both know why the wallets were buggy. With that much money you could hire someone, I don't give a fuck what you say. As much XPY has been dumped on through the ages, there was money to hire decent developers to do things besides build websites and databases.

But why the fuck should they when people are openly okay with a ponzi scheme for mining and a shittier ponzi for a wallet?

Not sure what you're accusing me of. I'm not saying it wasn't a scam, I didn't say any other coins were "also a scam" so "it's okay".

I'm trying to get at the truth over here. You seem to be assuming that any theory that implies bad intentions on GAW's part is automatically true, but that isn't a very good epistemology to have. If your argument is based on how much money GAW had, could you show me the math you used to figure out that GAW still has money?