Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 17, 2015, 02:28:15 AM

Quote from: JCaferJr_ on April 17, 2015, 02:18:40 AM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 17, 2015, 12:13:00 AM

Quote from: JCaferJr_ on April 17, 2015, 12:09:57 AM

The fact that you think these sites are true ponzis shows how ignorant you are. Like the description says, they are "investor based games that require new entries to pay out the old entries." it's nothing more than gambling. I do agree that SOME are scams because they run, but any gambling site can do the same.

Sticky the thread that rates these sites, that would be useful.

Wikipedia says:

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A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator, an individual or organization, pays returns to its investors from new capital paid to the operators by new investors

So you're confirming they're Ponzi, right?

Close but not correct, a real ponzi is done without the investors knowledge. These sites show you the rules up front. You are simply trying to get in first so the subsequent entries pay you out. Every gambling method has winners and losers.

Every single site that pays investors with the money of new investors (instead of money it produces) is a Ponzi. Check the Wikipedia link I posted and the image of OP if you're still not clear on that.

However Ponzi is not always the same as scam. I think that's what you mean here. If a site is transparent, shows a warning saying it's a Ponzi and a list of transactions so users can estimate how things are going then I don't think it's a scam, it's a high risk game. But it's still a Ponzi of course and everyone in this section must be aware of that and make well informed decisions.

If a Ponzi hides the fact it's a Ponzi then it's definitely a scam. Also the problem in this section is that even when a Ponzi is advertised as a Ponzi it is handled by untrusted users who can run with the money at any time.

First of all a Ponzi scheme is pure scam when:
1. Hidden hidden behind fake investments, fake revenue and fake promises.
2. Stops paying with no reason, running away with the funds.
3. Hosted in a territory where Ponzi scheme is illegal.
4. Using FIAT currency. Bitcoin isn't a good and neither a service in most of the countries.
And many others that I'm not going to explain you right now..

Real scams are based on deception!
And yes, I work for Ponzi programs, sell softwares, offer services and much more sustaining them. I'm logged with my real identity and in many other forums it is already public.
We call it next generation of gambling.