Quote from: J. J. Phillips on April 20, 2015, 03:42:22 AM

Quote from: jaysabi on April 19, 2015, 11:10:16 PM

You were on the verge of being reasonable for several posts, then you left for a few days and came back with BS like don't got time to read, so here's a bunch of strawmen and garbage diatribes. It's disappointing this thread turned out like this. I was hoping for something far more enlightened.

I mean, you could really call me out for saying "don't got time to read" by quoting such a post, but you can't because it's not there.

Quote from: J. J. Phillips on April 18, 2015, 10:39:06 AM

I'm behind on this thread, so I'll just assume the past few pages is a lot of "Gee I wish the U.S. didn't have a veto so the U.N. could kill the Jews."

I was paraphrasing of course, but there's what you requested: You indicating you were dismissing everything without reading it.

Quote from: J. J. Phillips on April 20, 2015, 03:42:22 AM

Any fair minded person reading this thread will see I responded "reasonably" to people who made reasonable posts. I responded dismissively to people who repeat nonsense while being utterly incapable of comprehending information contrary to what they already believe (e.g., redzeronazi).

I consider myself fair-minded, but I do not agree with this representation. You have responded reasonably to some posts, and have been very dismissive of others. Reasonable people make their points with the aim of convincing the other side, not convincing themselves how right they are. As you indicate, some people here are not capable of changing their worldview, but take a look at your attitude here and realize you are just as guilty of that as the people you rail against and become a dick to for failing to change their views. When you get frustrated at people holding other viewpoints, you are prone to hyperbole and a violent mentality, but you seem to think that because you view the world as 'Jew hating' that it is justified. Fair minded people disagree with violence.

Here are the most recent examples of you exemplifying this behavior and building strawmen so you can claim victory, not further this discussion:

Quote from: J. J. Phillips on April 18, 2015, 07:15:00 PM

To clarify about my missing post: I wrote a massive wall of text replying to everything in great detail and demolishing all arguments against the legitimacy and in favor of the right of return. The post mention the KKK was meant to be a clarification of a small part of that post. I probably clicked "edit" instead of "quote" and edited by massive post to almost nothing.

Since presenting claims without evidence is popular in this thread, I'll just expect you to accept that I won the argument completely in that lost post. You're welcome.

Quote from: J. J. Phillips on April 18, 2015, 07:47:24 PM

Holy shit. I argued so well in this thread that I became a "Full Member" and get to have an avatar. In honor of the thread I thought I'd remember a very special day in Palestinian history: September 11, 2001. What a happy day for them.

Quote from: J. J. Phillips on April 18, 2015, 06:48:14 PM

Somehow I totally fucked up my last post. This is all that's left. Fuck it. I'm not typing it again. Short version: You're all fucking lying Jew hating Nazis.

And why are the "Palestinian people oppressed"? Because they're fucking terrorists! Every chance they have ever been given to help make peace they have used to make war. It's like saying the KKK is oppressed, which they actually kind of are, but I am 100% in favor of the "oppression" of violent racists. I'm funny that way. (The KKK was also formed as resistance to occupation, by the way.)

Just to clarify in case any of you are KKK supporters. While I hate the KKK, I in no way mean to suggest they're as bad as the Palestinians.

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If Israel is destroyed, I will devote the rest of my life to the extermination of the human species. Any species that goes down this road again less than 100 years after the holocaust needs to be fucking wiped out.

You don't come across as fair-minded. This collection of posts is just garbage, but the difference between them and someone else posting similar crap on the opposite side is you claim to know better about having a useful discussion:

Quote from: J. J. Phillips on April 20, 2015, 03:42:22 AM

A useful discussion about this issue would involve making a sequence of clear, unambiguous true-or-false style statements and having people who disagree indicate which they think are true and which they think are false. That's the first step to determining the nature of a disagreement. I tried to do this. Most of the participants on the thread ignored these statements and ignored clarifying questions I tried to ask. They continued to simply assert that there was some country called Palestine (there wasn't) that was "illegally invaded" by Jews (rather than there being waves of immigration) and that there was some kind of unspecified "agreement" that Israel made and is not holding to. I challenge anyone to simply count the number of clear statements I've made and clear questions I've asked that have been completely ignored. The people expecting me to respond to them when they're not responding to me are the ones being unreasonable.

In the end things will probably work out for everyone. The Jew haters will get their dead Jews and I'll get to exterminate the Nazi human species.

So are you contributing to a useful discussion here, or are all those posts I quoted from you not constructive? You have very good points when you're following the advice I bolded above, so let's get back to that and cut out all that shit you keep posting.