Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 20, 2015, 03:45:52 AM

Quote from: J. J. Phillips on April 18, 2015, 06:22:18 PM

First, this is why I'm comfortable calling you guys Nazis, and I'm surprised anyone reasonable is willing to stand with you. In the Holocaust six million Jews were killed, not a few hundred.

In the WW2, 80 million people lost their lives, including 6 million Jews. Around 40 million Slavs lost their lives, and they represent the largest group of victims. If you are talking about the percentage, then almost 80% of the Western European Roma were killed in the holocaust by the Nazis.

While, I deeply sympathize with the Jews who were killed during the WW2, the difference between you and me is that I believe that there were other groups who were victimized in the WW2 as well (Slavs, Roma.etc). The holocaust was a Nazi mission to exterminate Slavs, Roma, Jews.etc. You can't whitewash history and say that only Jews were targeted in the holocaust.

First: I said that 6 million Jews were killed in the holocaust as a direct response to the following quote from you:

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 18, 2015, 12:01:16 PM

We were talking about the right of Palestinians to live on the lands where they were born (and their ancestors were born), and not about gassing a few hundred Jews.

Everyone can decide for themselves why you wrote "gassing a few hundred Jews" if you agree that 6 million Jews were killed in the holocaust as your latest post suggests. What "few hundred Jews" were you referring to? The most charitable explanation I can find is that you meant to type "few million Jews" but accidentally wrote "few hundred Jews".

Second: I agree that other minority groups were targeted by the Nazis. I don't believe I've written anything to suggest otherwise, but you're welcome to quote me if you think I have. It's obvious why Jews have been the focus in this thread, given the topic.

But I'm glad BitMos and you brought up these other victims. The Roma, for example, are still treated terribly in Europe from what I read. It's too bad this problem is ignored.

In a thread where so many people have trouble with simple factual statements, I'm hesitant to bring in counterfactuals/hypotheticals. Still, I will. I wonder what would've happened if many of the Romani had immigrated to, say, Kashmir in the early part of the 20th century. (They do have northern Indian ties historically, so it isn't so far-fetched.) Suppose that at the end of British rule in the late 1940s the Romani declared an independent state in part of Kashmir. Clearly there would be lots of armed conflict in that region, just as there is today. However, I imagine we'd hear much more about the Kashmir conflict and most of what we'd hear would be cartoonish misinformation about evil Gypsies lying, cheating and oppressing poor indigenous Muslim children who just want peace and crayons. The reason would be racism.