Quote from: tspacepilot on April 22, 2015, 05:44:25 PM

Quote from: Blazr on April 22, 2015, 01:09:38 PM

You ran a bot on coinchat, probably with TF's help. You admitted this before, so you can't really deny it now:

Quote from: tspacepilot on September 27, 2013, 09:39:14 PM

I *did* use coinchat a few months ago and I was banned by "admin". We exchanged some emails in which I asked him what I had done to be banned and I didn't ever get a detailed response. He said I owed him 0.2BTC if I wanted to be reinstated on coinchat. I asked him several times where he came up with that number and what I had done wrong. Each time, however, he just replied tersely about some sort of fraud and paying him back.

The best guess I have at what he was angry about is that I was experimenting with robots on his site using the api the he published (and I as I understood it) he encouraged us to use. I enjoyed coinchat and I learned a lot about node.js while I was experimenting there.

Coinchat paid people to chat, not bots. Bot owners on coinchat we're supposed to tag their bots with "bot" so that the system would mark them as inelligible for payments for the chatting they did.

So what exactly are you saying TF is lying about? are you saying your bots never received any payment for chatting? Or perhaps that TF said to you your bots were elligible to receive payments? This is what I don't understand at all. You claim the allegations are untrue, but don't say what is untrue, just that TF is a scammer, which is somewhat relevant of course but I have not took anything TF said into account here, only things you said and my knowledge of how coinchat worked.

You never said either of these things in the initial complaint or gave any other excuse so I suspect you did defraud coinchat, however this was a long time ago and the Bitcoin price was much lower too, approximately $128.50/BTC. So if you did defraud coinchat the amount you took was only ~$64. Not exactly the scam of the century, and as long as you don't have a history of doing this kind of thing then I don't think this on its own makes you very untrustworthy, nobody is perfect and everyone makes mistakes, there are no heros or villains in this world - only heroic and villainous acts.

Perhaps what you could do is offer to refund the $64 to someone who was scammed by TF. Maybe you could do this to "atone". However, the way you have acted when confronted about this by Quickseller doesn't exactly scream trustworthy at all.

Here's the deal man, first off, I feel very angry that I'm having to try to go through all this again, given the large time distance and the fact that while I have caused 0 problems around here, TF has well... But nevertheless, QS is determined to drag us all back through this mud so here we go. I don't deny that I was working on a bot but I do deny any fraud or anything else. I was in good-faith chatting on coinchat (using my fingers to type the messages and my eyes to read the replies and my own brain parse and understand them) and I was learning node.js and seeing what's what. My best guess as to what happened is that my code didn't have a timer correctly set or I had some loop in there (I was a total noob) and that I sent a bunch of messages in a row or something and that's why "admin"/TF banned my account. As I said upthread, it was only after getting banned that I got any kind of info about the rules for bots, how they were to be named, where they were to be chatting and whatnot. This is despite asking TF about those rules on coinchat and him never getting back to me about it (I swear this info is somewhere upthread here and I still haven't read it all again). Some time later (weeks, I'm not sure, but I recall it being later) I find the negative feedback on my account and I started this thread because I wasn't really sure what to do about it.

so you admit to receiving some amount of funds that were not actually due to you then. If the bot was still running when it was not "intended" to then you would have earned some amount.

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When you say that reading through this doesn't make you think that I should be seen as untrustworthy you should ask youself this. Does it mean that I should be kicked out of a signature ad campaign? I don't do trades so negative feedback from QS only has one real impact, it got me booted from my signature ad campaign and this was exactly his goal. He even stated it on the main thread of my campaign. Then he spent about a day looking for something to use against me and this is what he came up with. After you've answered that, ask yourself this: is this the kind of behavior you'd expect from someone on default trust? Bullying small, unimportant people because they've disagreed with you in the past? Is that what default trust is supposed to be used for?

Doesnt matter. You are a spammer so not having an incentive to post on here is probably good for the forum overall, however regardless, you scammed, end of story. Just because you claim that someone was motivated to find dirt on you does not give you an excuise to have scammed in the past.

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Here's the problem with you quoting those numbers: they are completely arbitrary. TF had accused me in this thread of taking some wild amount of BTC that I didn't even own at the time, then he "ballparked" it somewhere else then I think he settled on "all money I had ever withdrawn". But as I said, I spent many hours on that site chatting and having fun and I had withdrawn my rewards legitimately. TF was throwing numbers out with no backing and demanding that I pay him those amounts in order to remove his negative rating. I walked away from that ransom attempt. History has shown what kind of guy he was and what kind of stock should be placed into his accusations.

it doesn't matter if you scammed for .01 or 1.5, the fact of the matter is that you scammed. When you were called out about it you refused to pay and refused to even try to make it right.

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Quote from: Quickseller on April 22, 2015, 01:18:34 PM

Like I said in the thread that he opened on me, I don't think he is ever going to get caught scamming in the future because he has learned his lesson on how to avoid getting caught and displays a tendency to dispute any claim of him scamming even though the evidence again him is clear.

Quickseller is some kind of zealous madman on a rampage against me at this point. I honestly do not enjoy these drama festival flame-wars and I started a thread in Meta only a few days before this nonsense against me began in an attempt to make things more drama free around here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1031791.0 For that reason, I locked the main thread in which I call out QS for his unmotivated mudslinging smear campaign because the thread had degenerated into a flame war. I'm not interested in continuing that flame war here. QS, the best thing you can do at the moment is remove your negative trust on me and hope that I forget about this by the time that BadBear gets back from holiday.

why would I remove my negative? You scammed. When I called you out about the scam you threatened me and started a flame war. When people started to say that you were wrong you locked the thread you opened against me. All of these things make you untrustworthy in my (and probably in most anyone else's who is reasonable) eyes.