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A group of about twenty different customers, and some former KnCMiner employees, have started a Twitter account to help preserve evidence of the KnCMiner fraud.

If you DM, we can also provide help with referrals to lawyers in both Sweden and the USA for help in recovering money stolen by KnC.

Thank you

twitter.com/knc_law

Samuel

there is no knc miner fraud. , only dumb users who expected to much.

an asked money back ,,, and got it back in BTC witch IS legal by sewdish law,
KNC Delivred evrything in the end and the ROI must be seen in BTC.
because only the coversion rate @ time of transaction does matter!
that the BTC price fell can not be blamed on KNC.

In the USA if you pay in USD you MUST get your refund in USD.... I assume it is the same for the Eu...so no that is not legal even if you accept
we are a business and you are a business method of transaction (I know this because american express card gave me a refund on my 30% down
on my alpha-t.net scrypt miner that never shipped..on that aspect alone.....you pay in usd you get paid back in usd ..how i won the case /dispute

Nope ,,, bitpay is located in Europe! Amsterdam to be preceice!
Knc is sweden so iets europe ,, alphe-t offerd a calender based payout in bitisch pounds...
Like if you ask refund at day X then you get 80 % day Y 50% erc,,, then they can NOT use the BTC price because BTC is not money!
In case of KNC ,, they just offer refund of the TRANSACTION ,,, this means they pay back the trade!

http://blog.bitpay.com/2014/09/07/bitpay-s-new-amsterdam-headquarters.html

not so in usa law..and we paid in usd so the refund is in usd...as to bitcoin yeah you pay bitcoin they probably can just send you bitcoin

alpha had an offer to make folk go away by only paying part back ...on a pre-order....instead of usd they were gonna give you 'stock' in
the company for the rest.....should have been more clear...

as again to knc you paid in usd you should get refunded in usd as to bitpay and bitcon that is probably correct

but again your point was knc is lawful on all its transactions ..my post was to point out some of the points where others differ and will be
found one way or another in a court of law ...3x that is...there are 3 different class actions (not counting the future one with the IPO's in
my opinion on their lackluster return on 'cloud mining' per say

the legal cases will determine such....but knc does not care because they decided to burn the customers because they will have no customers
in the future on any product just 16nm equip for them privately with their IPO money........

anyway my view i'm sure will be born out by the courts...if they say knc is in the clear i'll accept that ..hey its the law...i suspect if knc loses
big time which is my expectation and settles or what not...you probably post on here and troll how it was a 'miscarrige of justice"

got to admit taking the contrary view of the troll on this thread probably works really really good for all them negative vibe cooties you enjoy so well

anyway that is how i see it ....they are gonna lose and admidtly pay a fine/ settle the class actions with a NDA for an undisclosed amount ...and
after they pay off the lawyers and the class action and the fines etc..they will be way way way ahead of actually doing the expensive right thing
for their customers only...if they sold 2.5k of titans say that is 25 million bucks at 10k a titan ..so hey all batches figure at least imho 15 million bucks
or say 10 million clear profit...all the above fines/settlements/lawyers etc is a couple million tops....so yeah .....they will lose and still smell like roses
is my guess

Well Bitpay is located Iin AMSTERDAM , to avoid us law.
KNC used chineese asamblers , that then send the boxes to the custumers.
I asked them , but only replacement was done localy , so if you got a new package it was send from china,
I have seen this with my phone too they use swiss for this trick , swiss has a free trade agreement with china AND europe.
so what the do is send it form china to swiss.
there they repakage it and then send it in to you in europe!
Good chance KNC never saw the miner send to them.
What can be the case is that KNC used a chineese carrier to send the us pakages , if that one fucked up can you blame KNC? ,, so A nice one for you guys is to find out if you al come from a certain continent?
The reason that iam sceptical about effectively suing is that I come form a lawyer family and know the tricks used.
so make sure you sue the right compony,
and that can be the cheneese assabler instead of KNC.
For bringing stuff to late... , well its bitcoin , it is a gamble don't think you get far because you cant predict the price 12 moths from now.