Quote from: RodeoX on April 23, 2015, 09:11:35 PM

I like Palestine. Everyone I met there was kind and helpful. If you want to see for yourself stay on the Palestine side when visiting Jerusalem. The National hotel has good prices and is a nice location for walking the city.

https://nationalhotel-jerusalem.com/

I don't, I can't smoke weed while drinking fresh white wine under olive trees with Israelis people in peace. We may be arrested, tortured and jailed for indefinite periods even life-time. Without a positively asymmetrical army trained and ready to annihilate those coming to do those crimes toward us and anything that may be a "support group", it would be even stupid. I never said stupid, and sadly more than often necessary. forevermore, no.

(edit, for slow reader to read at the end, scroll down, fast, you will read otherwise, I know): if you ear a small boom on the roof, run for your life, it's gonna be louder soon (did you Grin

).

Quote from: amoebatron on April 24, 2015, 12:20:22 PM

Political Zionism belongs to the 19th century - out of date and backward in thinking. Ethnicity is a delusion of the mind. The moment you give someone a 'reason' to tribalise they will run with it, and the walls will start popping up soon after. Tear down the fictional walls of ethnicity in mindspace first, and true multiculturism and integration will follow.

I am not sure, the problem is that my problem the usury isn't a jewish think, quite even the contrary, however anti-Semitism, or rephrased anti-anything that doesn't fit the current power of the American aristocracy is under nuclear annihilation treat, even more than often others more economically sensitive means will be chosen.

The problem is to be the enemy in the eye of the others. For example in the Temple of the Mount, located in the heart of Jerusalem, is the most important physical place in the world for the Jewish People. You can read there text if you don't believe me. So what ever the disguise of the fighting of the leading artistocrats of the occupied usa, it's important to accept 1 they shit, as death come and even trough foundation or what ever the next will certainly purse what ever they please. I know it's sound quite futile for those pretending to leave so called legacy... but opinions, information etc changed, like the relative discovery of the so called new world.

The problem is that as I answer in the first there are sometime lifestyle that incompatible. Some wants to be as far away from God as it's humanly possible (relatively it ain't that far Roll Eyes

), however others aim to achieve the opposite objective. Certain wants to impose their lifestyle on all, others don't want to interfere in the lifestyle of others. Certain respect... etc etc.

The rationality isn't a rational and or logical basis to take successive decision. As every decision is based on assumption and hypothesis that trough the time, refined and sometimes even totally toss aside, it's important to acknowledge the supremacy of God, and it's Messengers over all thing of the realm of before death. Do you try to sail toward God or away from?

As such there come that certain wrong doers will even interfere in the pursuit of the journey toward God of those sailing toward. As such you must understand that God is Supreme, Absolute, Out of Questioning, and it ain't a Game. By this I mean that one of the greatest treath facing those of the sailing toward that will oppose rightly so the wrong doers it is always important to accept to let it go, to those that come after (anyway).

So you understand the problem then comes from the concept of temptation and or purification. certains want to live in homogenous society. for example you may consider raping 12 years old and or then forcing them to marry to be a lifestyle compatible with your position in the universe. I don't.

Furthermore leading to your probable and proof able (it's just an example, not a solo attack Cheesy

) already occurred occurrence that some in your way of life did it, I can't not join in my soul and consciousness those that will oppose this life style, using the means at the disposal of those closer to the Light.

And let me tell you, pfffffffffff. gone. theywere&itwas&wedid. And as the presence of the enemy in this journey is probable and already many time proofed, in the blood and too sudden death of many travelers of the toward due to the enemy, it's clear that the enemy is in darkness if it doesn't understand what I just write. some wanted grow old, but we recalled earlier. God willing, but the reduction of the enemy is in my opinion a good way to occupy the journey when not recalled. the earth travel fast enough in my opinion... but everything is relative, only 1 or 0?

then you are quite unicorned butterflying about your wall, behind those wall there are extermination camp. They are far from God, but to close to us. that always my opinions. happily it's quite temporary.

Quote from: J. J. Phillips on April 24, 2015, 03:21:59 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 24, 2015, 02:48:13 AM

Here is my suggestion for lasting peace in Israel and Palestine:

1. Israel should withdraw from Gaza Strip and West Bank
2. Gaza Strip should merge with Egypt. West Bank should become independent Palestine.
3. Population Exchange: All Israelis living in West Bank should move to Israel proper, and all Arabs (including Israeli citizens) living in Israel proper should move to West Bank.
4. Jerusalem should be split in to two, with Western part going to Israel and Eastern part to Palestine.
5. International peacekeepers (only from countries which are willing to recognize Israel) should be placed on the Israel-Palestine border.

Some of my suggestions (especially #3) might seem to be outrageous. But IMO, this is the only hope for lasting peace in the region.

This is an interesting point. It's always been part of the negotiation that Israeli settlers won't be allowed to stay in what becomes Palestine, and yet it seems out of the question to expel Arabs from Israel. This makes sense, of course. Arabs know they're reasonably safe in Israel and have political rights. Everyone knows that Jews who remain in the new Palestine without Israel's explicit protection will be massacred.

But think about what this implies.

Some time I disagree, and sometime to contradict a fact is stupid, ignorant and frankly how to acknowledge God when even a simple vulgar fact, that may change, who knows but God, isn't accepted. I think a rule of thumb is to never intervene in the Real Conflict of the Area, the One War, that predate them ALL, all have gone, but this war. Jerusalem isn't that important in this One War, the one that All that Begun it died, ohhh so long ago recalled... Stealthy, foohooo, beyond technology... a war of Faiths, and none will ever retract but then. so Shalom, but in peace, respect, for all the Prophets and the travelers too. life is a journey.

Quote from: J. J. Phillips on April 24, 2015, 03:24:10 PM

Quote from: amoebatron on April 24, 2015, 12:20:22 PM

Political Zionism belongs to the 19th century - out of date and backward in thinking. Ethnicity is a delusion of the mind. The moment you give someone a 'reason' to tribalise they will run with it, and the walls will start popping up soon after. Tear down the fictional walls of ethnicity in mindspace first, and true multiculturism and integration will follow.

The same case can be made that Political Islam (like that of Hamas) belongs to the 7th century. I guess this would make Political Zionism 1200 years more advanced.

so you oppose ultra orthodox? everyone should SERVE? hmmm Romans w(h)ere never foolish, do as you want, but we pay... Cheesy

. and well Cool

. Furthermore only weak (sometime rich) little kingdomlet will be framed by the conscensus of the others weaklets. I explain, ROME never saw the world as most little framed nation do. THE EMPIRE, THE WORLD, IT'S BEAUTY, WE SAW, WE CONQUERED, and then he went down Cheesy

, but fucking traitors pretending since long to be just, righteous, and more than all the insult pretend to be the law of man, when ONLY GOD RULES THE WAY OF THE TOWARDS. and of course it's impossible to accept to the outwards (digression), so just to say it ain't because you see a line of rock in the sand as your frontier that it is, a Legion is quite big, many and the rocks will be dust, bring water mof.

.

I love Market, because even if usure is supreme, those fights are let out, but by the FINANCIAL AND MARKET SUPREMACY on certain area and the trade route necessary but not the way the people shall live in their homeland (a 24/7 miles long open pit ain't possible near the Mount of the Temple in Jerusalem, and everyone agrees, but certain bad apple.

Quote from: saddampbuh on April 24, 2015, 04:53:53 PM

Quote from: J. J. Phillips on April 24, 2015, 03:21:59 PM

This is an interesting point. It's always been part of the negotiation that Israeli settlers won't be allowed to stay in what becomes Palestine, and yet it seems out of the question to expel Arabs from Israel.

which negotiations would those be? the only deal ever offered by israel was under barak's leadership and would have involved only the removal of a handful of settlers and there are now 100k more settlers living in palestinian territory then when that offer was made.

it seems out of the question to expel (more) arabs from israel because there's no equivalence to be made between people whose ancestors lived in the same villages for 100+ years and european and american colonists illegally transplanted onto land that belongs to someone else

I tried to explain you that in the Path of the Empire false representation are pulliverized, ashed, and dusted, that all cultural relic, way of life and any other marker of identity will be gone, that submission and disintegration is the only path, in assimiliation, that not forced but wanted will be, as the light shines. In Know that the fleet of those traveling toward God is so mighty than when the enemy looks in the direction it's see only Light, and the Light of God because no fleet HOW WIDE it may have been can shade GOD...

And that's the power of ours, and we don't care if you don't agree, you know what you want, we do too. For The Claws of your Kind, wanting to impose the law of the phiraos of your days, you don't want to acknowledge God, and the Path toward. It's a shame for you, but a nice way to past time for us.

Quote from: J. J. Phillips on April 25, 2015, 04:48:55 AM

Quote from: saddampbuh on April 24, 2015, 04:53:53 PM

Quote from: J. J. Phillips on April 24, 2015, 03:21:59 PM

This is an interesting point. It's always been part of the negotiation that Israeli settlers won't be allowed to stay in what becomes Palestine, and yet it seems out of the question to expel Arabs from Israel.

which negotiations would those be? the only deal ever offered by israel was under barak's leadership and would have involved only the removal of a handful of settlers and there are now 100k more settlers living in palestinian territory then when that offer was made.

it seems out of the question to expel (more) arabs from israel because there's no equivalence to be made between people whose ancestors lived in the same villages for 100+ years and european and american colonists illegally transplanted onto land that belongs to someone else

Yes, I explicitly mentioned the 2000 deal a few times. Note that I didn't say "all Israeli settlers". The settlers that would have stayed would have been part of Israel (otherwise they'd be massacred) and some land was to be swapped to make up the difference.

Based on your last sentence, it sounds like you believe that land belongs to ethnic groups, not individuals. Is the correct? And the way to determine if the land belongs to an ethnic group is to see how many centuries they lived there? If the Israelis hold out for 200 years, would you then agree the land belongs to them?

The Servants of Cleopatra were thinking along the same lines... forward my Titus, and Constantine even saw it... so pffff. futile, even for the usurpers, the journey is funnier with real life tragy comedy... you don't like to play Clue, 3 to 6 players by Pratt? and it's on teevee

.