Quote from: TerminatorXL on April 27, 2015, 12:14:03 PM

Quote from: hilariousandco on April 27, 2015, 07:26:49 AM

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Quote from: TerminatorXL on April 26, 2015, 08:50:48 PM

Quote from: theymos on April 26, 2015, 08:39:46 PM

In addition to the enforcement issue: From time to time people have asked me whether they could sell their accounts or use them as collateral because they have an emergency need for money or have come on hard times. I'm not going to tell them they can't do this. It's your account and you can do what you want with it. I find it pretty distasteful (it's like selling your identity), but the act of selling your account does not itself hurt anyone else, and in fact scams via account sales are very rare.

Selling accounts hurts trust, thus hurts everyone.
What's the point of having a trust system, when accounts with positive trust are bought & sold, regularly, right here on the forum?

What's the point in any trust system on any site? They're a guide not a definitive you can trust this account badge and every single one on any site can be gamed or abused. eBay or Paypal don't allow accounts to be sold, but guess what you can buy them as easily as bitcointalk accounts.

If eBay allowed the sale of eBay accounts,
If eBay staff sold accounts on eBay
If most of the items sold on eBay were eBay accounts, like so:

...well, then I'd agree with you, eBay trust system would be absolutely pointless.
Almost as pointless as you've made the one on bitcointalk.

We haven't made it anything. You're still not getting the point whilst yet proving mine. Just because ebay accounts aren't openly allowed to be sold on their site doesn't mean they're not sold. Go to any type of hack or carders forum or deepmarket and you'll see the same. Whether we or ebay allow or disallow their sale does not stop it. It happens. Whether in view or out of view.

Quote from: TerminatorXL on April 27, 2015, 12:14:03 PM

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And let's suppose theymos announces right this second that account sales are now prohibited... Changes absolutely nothing regarding 'hurting' trust. Possibly does more damage because people, especially newbs, assume an account could never have possibly been sold or stolen but you seem to not be willing to accept this.

I admit, you guys have managed to screw the pooch pretty royally when it comes to this forum. The damage you caused is pretty grave, nearly irreversible. Nearly.
This in no way implies that you should continue fucking things up.

STOP, so that we could rebuild.

Nah, we actually do a pretty good job of running things and I'm glad people like you and everybody else who thinks they know better aren't making the rules here. Ban this, remove that, protect me from the badguys blah blah. Go ahead and create your own bitcoin forum if you think you can improve on this one or know what's best for everyone. If it's obviously better then everyone will flock there and you'll make a shitload from adverts or keep it free of ads are run it altruistically. What are you waiting for?

Quote from: TerminatorXL on April 27, 2015, 12:14:03 PM

Yes, the trust system is now completely meaningless, a standing joke that belongs in the trash heap. Trash it.
You've fucked it beyond redemption in every way, not least by condoning and encouraging buying & selling of accounts, which is, you guessed it, buying and selling trust.

Buying and selling trust is not simply unethical, it's unworkable. Trust can not be bought and sold & remain meaningful.
You can't sell trust for the same reason you can't sell truth.
This is obvious to a child, yet you refuse to see it. Because you can't do without that trickle of pocket change you earn by ignoring it.

Umm, are you actually processing anything I'm saying? Feedback system on this site or any other is a guide, up to you whether you want to take it into consideration or not. I don't get why you're still banging your head on a wall. Are you saying that if we ban account sales or had always banned accounts sales that the trust system would be perfect or free from people abusing it? Of course it wouldn't. The exact same thing would be happening as it is now only you wouldn't see it. I could easily buy or create an account on here or ebay, buy or earn a few feedbacks from either legitimate or illegitimate sales and nothing's different, though maybe the person I'm selling something to on ebay doesn't think he's going to get scammed because the systems there are obviously perfect and I couldn't possibly have bought the account or faked the feedback because that definitely doesn't go on, right? Change the channel or actually think about what you're saying.