Quote from: TECSHARE on April 27, 2015, 02:32:15 PM

Could you be anymore condescending? I understand fine, I just don't accept your narrative as an excuse for lack of standards and posted rules. No one is saying other people should be told who to trust. I am pointing out you have the ABILITY to take action, but you refuse to. Just because you know the rules as a moderator does not mean that everyone else is just magically as familiar with them as you are.

"Without some sort of weight, the feedback system would just be a place for everyone to collect spam feedback from someone's angry socks." Sorry to be the one to tell you, but this is exactly what the current trust system is. I don't have "faith" in the default trust list or the trust system itself. These are people, not Gods, and I don't worship at the alter of the default trust. People do fucked up things like humans do without a frame of reference known as rule of law to provide a clear line of what is and is not acceptable. Human beings are notorious for being able to justify very fucked up things without any outside forces checking them.

You know what your problem is? You confuse me not giving a shit if you like what I have to say with not having awareness of it. I don't blame staff for everything that happened, I blame them for not having any kind of posted or regularly enforced standards as well as not taking any responsibility for their own part in the disorder caused by the lack of clear rules. They enforce their own personally serving form of "justice", but if it doesn't personally serve them, then suddenly they have more important things to do and they are too busy, or are magically always looking the other way. There is nothing that complicated about it. It is just plain old self serving behavior and nepotism. I have answered many of the questions you are repeating again before in the past. You pretend like individuals who are also admins and staff some how can act as an individual without also being an admin or staff at the same time. This is just doublespeak and an excuse to quietly moderate the trust system while also pretending you don't overtly.

What exactly about me speaking critically about mods/admins/staff is so insulting and harassing? Because it might offend you, suddenly it means I am harassing you for having an opinion you don't agree with and not submitting to your viewpoint? Do you even read what you type? What I am saying makes plenty of sense, you are just very eager to do whatever mental gymnastics that are necessary for you to continue pretending like the points I raise aren't actually an issue.

So I bolded a few things. First, "You have the ABILITY to take action, but you refuse to" You are completely correct there. If I took action and laid down the law, then it would be the staff controlled trust system you keep claiming it is. I don't have the time nor the desire to moderate the trust system. The community can regulate its own trading practices. Did the staff tell people they have to use escrow, or only loan to people with collateral? Or is that a community founded guideline?

"People do fucked up things like humans do without a frame of reference known as rule of law" again, you are correct once again, but what if moderators do fucked up things like humans and set that frame of reference in a harmful or useless way? Everything is designed so that Moderators have limited involvement in them. We don't need to babysit 400,000 members, nor do we have the overwhelming staff power needed to do so. We keep the boards free of spam (or at least try to) the rest is on you.

" I don't blame staff for everything that happened, I blame them for not having any kind of posted or regularly enforced standards as well as not taking any responsibility for their own part in the disorder caused by the lack of clear rules." I can cite tens of instances where you say the exact opposite. You take no personal responsbility for anything, you just blame it on the staff. If you would like me to cite quotes, I can, it will just take me 10 minutes of looking through any thread in Meta that has anything to do with the trust system. But, again we are blurring lines here, are you talking about moderation policy or default trust?

" They enforce their own personally serving form of "justice", but if it doesn't personally serve them, then suddenly they have more important things to do and they are too busy, or are magically always looking the other way."

Being busy just kind of happens as a result of a website having thousands of members that are free to say whatever they want. At the time of writing this post, I have another 420 reports that are unhandled at this moment. Sometimes they take a while to get to, but as I explained to you back then, I don't handle reports for things that I have a stake in. I don't handle reports by anyone I'm involved with in anyway because I couldn't be fair and do so.

"This is just doublespeak and an excuse to quietly moderate the trust system while also pretending you don't overtly." Again, moderators are busy enough, we have no motivations for quietly moderating the trust system. That would just further involve us in more time consuming crap. What would we have to gain? If we wanted to rule the trust system with an iron fist, we would have just left Theymos in charge of scammer tags, or gone to an explicit staff central trust system. What can I accomplish now being on default trust, that I couldn't just being a moderator if I so wished to abuse people?

"Because it might offend you, suddenly it means I am harassing you for having an opinion you don't agree with and not submitting to your viewpoint?" Isn't that exactly what you left Armis negative feedback for, and that was a single occasion that took place over what, a couple of hours? This has been ongoing for months. I'm not offended by the constant attacks, I'm annoyed. Everyone is welcome to their opinions, but posting your quazi off topic, "Everyone is out to get me!" crap is getting old, especially when your points are debunked and you just continue on with the same arguments. Did you expect that you can just make completely unfounded claims and not have anyone respond to them? Try taking responsibility for yourself, create a new trust branch, get everyone to create their own trust branches, show us that you can rebel and save us time, its a win win.