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CoinMarketCap could easily put an end to this debate by changing the tag to "significantly pre-mined, insta-mined or ninja-mined". So my suggestion is to make this change.

This. Or alternately select coins that had a clearly scheduled release time publically announced say a minimum of 24 hours ahead of any mining, with coins subsequently emitted substantially in accordance with the originally published schedule. Filter the rest.

XMR should be included with this tag as well because of the scam mining software they released on launch. It is was purposely "de-optimized" so that the developers and insiders could mine at 100x the speed of the normal user.

Smooth and friends claim that this was an oversight or an accident, just like Evan claims the same for that launch of xcoin/dash. Same issue, same tag?

Did XMR changed the emission curve? NO. Bitcoin itself had a terrible unoptimized miner at first. Your comment does not hold no one believes you, everyone knows you are lying and dash gets more hate. The end.

Smooth has admitted that the miner he released with XMR was purposely de-optimized. He also claims to have not known this at the time. How do you not even know the history of your own coin?

We didn't launch the coin. It was launched by some other guy who was doing a bunch of dodgy stuff so the community threw him out. The team that took over didn't even know each other, or the code, at first, we just came together to get rid of the scumbag and create a new team to maintain and develop the coin going forward. We forked it and took over. Then we found the de-optimized stuff while becoming familiar with the code later.

There is a history write up somewhere, but I'm terrible with remembering where those kind of documents are.

I wasnt aware of the 9x speed difference and I accept that at your word, sorry about that. Look smooth, check my comment history, I like XMR and I'm not trying to throw mud. What you are doing here is throwing mud.

You released a miner that had been de-optimized on purpose. You say you didn't know, but it's what happened. You can not honestly compare that to miners being optimized over time. The miner you release was literally a scam, and you know that's not the same as miners being optimized over time.

Both coins have had launch issues, but you downplay yours as accidents and oversights. You tell me that there are documents explaining the shady history of Monero, and at the same time criticize Evans explanation of events.

You ask to be given the benefit of the doubt about the shady history of Monero, but attack Dash at every opportunity. Can we just stop with that please? I've said my peace, thanks for listening.