Quote from: HunterGatherer on April 29, 2015, 04:11:34 AM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on April 29, 2015, 03:59:02 AM

Quote from: HunterGatherer on April 29, 2015, 03:49:07 AM

Are you saying that because these purchases weren't transferred to the multisig address effectively in realtime that this is somehow problematic? The woman said they would be transferred once per day, and I'm betting that tomorrow we will see that this is true. Rather than debate this point, let just place a wager and then we can both zip it until tomorrow - what do you say? What would you like to wager?

I'm saying they should be transferred from the original address that was used. doesn't have to be in real time but there should be a link in the blockchain to when it did happen in realtime. if that won't be the case, then yes... absolutely it is problematic because it means there is no proof those sales actually happened at all.

I have no idea why they preferred to collect presale funds to unique addresses per transaction and then sweep to the multisig address, but who cares as long as the money gets there as they said it would? As if you could prove that any of these transactions "actually happened" anyway? Mine happened. So anyway, what is our wager?

There's a couple of possibilities why they do this or don't do that.

You said your transaction happend. Would you mind to show us this transaction on the Blockchain?

However: Fact is that a lot of people in the Cryptocoins-community have a lot of technical knowledge. Some have financial knowledge. And others just have a gut-feeling - which is sometimes better than all the other knowledge together.

Now if a new coin is being advertised like this NeuCoin, investors should do their proper due diligence, shouldn't they? You invested, so I guess you did do you dd, right?

Frankly, the whole NeuCoin-story reminds me very much of some P&D-schemes which were performed in China/USA with the involvement of some of the same players. There were "huge investors" who didn't know that they were investors. There was disappearing stock, false claims, faked figures - go ask the SEC. Ask the SEC about people involved in NeuCoin.

Ask some people who filed a class-action in the US because of a P&D-fraud what they think about some of the players in the NeuCoin-game.

I'm sure you haven't done your dd.

I'm furthermore sure that nobody who invested has done it.

Me, for my part, can say that one of my clients wanted to KNOW if it is worth to invest. He was willing to spend a couple of ten thousand US$ for a proper DD. After some days, seeing the first results, he said that he will not invest.

There are many people involved in this scheme. Some of them may be working with good faith. This will not prevent them to be held liable.

So tell me: How many and which court filings did you read?
Which SEC-filings have you seen?

What is your conclusion out of what you've read? What is your conclusion regarding the class actions?

Either you know about all this and still defend NeuCoin - then you are definitively a shill.

Or: You don't know about it and still defend NeuCoin - then you are just plain stupid. Make your choice.