Quote from: bitcoin.me on August 23, 2012, 12:49:36 AM

Quote from: Draino on August 22, 2012, 02:46:33 PM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on August 22, 2012, 01:46:17 PM

That said, just because we don't know what's happening doesn't mean it is a scam with 100% certainty, and accusations should be made accordingly.

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Ok, so if we find out this was a ponzi with 100% certainty, do you think all the FUD being spread was unwarranted?

Considering it hit all the red flags (which is the only way to detect a ponzi, and as far as I know there are no examples of legit businesses hitting them like that) and considering what's at stake?

Do you also scold people who passionately warn others to encrypt their wallets, backup private keys, and maintain control of their own BTC?

I mean, you don't know for sure they're going to get hacked or have a hard drive crash, after all.

Its hard to tell fanatical religious extremists that God might not exist simply because there is no way to prove otherwise. Matthew is seemingly running a campaign against fanaticism.

We know where extreme beliefs lead to in human history. Protip: it doesnt end well.

Nah, you can't just go ahead and compare this situation to religion.
In religion there are no clear signs that anything special exists beyond fantasy and makebelief and projection of fears and uncertainty.
But in this case all the arrows point to a scam of some sort, not nessesarily a ponzi, but still the nubers don't add up.
In fact, it's a bit like evolution. You can't see it happening, but there are corners of information that all define this big structure. It's just that the lights are off and we can't clearly see what kind of scam this is.
But it either is a scam or is made to look like a scam (which is a scam in intself).
Anyway, this is how it looks.