Quote from: u9y42 on May 02, 2015, 10:14:19 PM

Quote from: Wilikon on May 02, 2015, 08:50:07 PM

I am holding everyone in such "high" regard, no matter who

I haven't pushed any capitalism VS communism really. First the term "capitalism" was not defined by free market lovers like myself. Secondly, of course no system is perfect. You simply have economical poles that attract a lot of people and other poles needing walls and machine guns to keep people from running away from them. Strangely enough people seem to love the feeling of being free. Of course is it really freedom? U.S. Police states, etc, etc...
Still the nostalgia of communism is rarely felt from the people waiting hours in the snow for a loaf of bread "back in the good old days..."

The main theme is : was communism responsible for, at least, 94 million deaths. Some here believe 94 millions is a low number. Replying "capitalism killed too" is a way of saying "Yes!"

Thank you for all that reading material.

No one here is denying "communism" was responsible for those deaths Wilikon. However, my point wasn't "capitalism killed too, so the article is silly"; the point was "communism saved lives too, so don't throw the baby out with the bath water" and "that article is silly". Tongue

Also, you can argue you didn't wittingly push a "capitalism Vs communism" debate, but the article you quoted and which I was criticizing, and the poll it was partly based on, certainly did (although, I agree that, as with "communism", it's also questionable to what extent the current system resembles "capitalism" in any significant way):

Quote from: Wilikon on May 01, 2015, 02:50:02 PM

[...] communism was the leading ideological cause of death [...] Communism is a killer. And yet some still say they support the idea: According to a 2011 Rasmussen poll, 11% of Americans think that communism would better serve this countrys needs than our current system. [...]

Quote from: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/questions/pt_survey_questions/march_2011/questions_communism_march_12_13_2011

Questions - Communism - March 12-13, 2011

1* Is the United States system of politics and economics morally superior to communism or is communism morally superior to the United States system of politics and economics?
2* In practical economic terms, do free market economies work better than communist economies or do communist economies work better than free market economies?
3* What system is better for middle class workers-- the United States system of politics and economics or communism?
4* Is communism a failed ideology?
5* In terms of world history, how important was the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe?

I am not saying I did not want a tiny debate "capitalism Vs communism" in this thread Wink

I already posted many threads with the same topic more or less in the past. If we are led to believe in the concept of natural selection and evolution, a free market system is closer to nature than a communist system. That is why systems that proclaim to be communist based, socialist based, or any system with a very strong centralization, end up collapsing with millions upon millions of dead humans. We all have our own mind and aspiration, unlike ants or bees, that is why any model based on a very strong centralization for millions of people never work. Maybe a network of smaller 'socialistic societies' in charge of smaller group of people could work, that is if each micro society was 'organically grown', not forced... Could work?

94 millions.