Quote from: Snail2 on May 03, 2015, 03:01:10 PM

Quote from: Benjig on May 03, 2015, 02:09:01 PM

Cons of the Communism society:

Contrary to popular belief , the " survival Of the fittest" is not on Capitalism, its on Communism.

Money is often used to hide lack of intelligence, creativity or just pshysical or mental qualities..

In the Communism society from above, the talent will be rewarded not with money but with visible "titles" or "rewards" to continúe the human progression, those rewards will worth more than actual money because today money can be gotten from many sources not only "success", it can be given even for free.

So with this rewards, the people that is just "stupid" or below average will be more visible, stupid people could expect some kind of social bullyng or exclusión from various activities.

We have tried something like this but it didn't work. Humans by nature want more, and better stuff. (Stuff can be literally anything from knowledge to money.) You can call it greed if you want. If you suppress this kind of greed then you will get only stagnation. I've seen it in the last decade of socialism, ppl wasn't motivated at all, everybody thought why do anything above the acceptable minimum if they can't get anything more or better just stupid titles and worthless badges. Finally this lack of motivation paralysed the whole society what collapsed pretty soon.

Actually, what was tried in Hungary or USSR was not a Communism, and not even a Socialism. It was in fact Capitalism covered by a fig-leaf of Socialism, where there was only one monopolist corporation on the market - the State. You can see the same symptoms of lack of motivation, token acknowledgement and stagnation in other big monopolies.

Quote from: harlenadler on May 03, 2015, 10:04:36 PM

I mean, back like 30-40 years ago communism was seen as the antidote for capitalistic greed and the communists believed that their system would produce more wealth and distribute it more equally, and cure social problems including environmental degradation, which is a major problem even in today's world.

Capitalism or communism are just mirrors of the mindset of the humans that comprise a society. You can't build one or the other as long as the majority of the people don't subscribe to it. As long as someone is prepared to grab more and more at the expense of the others, you'll have Capitalism. Once people naturally start feeling compelled to help others, to contribute to the society, giving to it - you'll have Communism.

Quote from: harlenadler on May 03, 2015, 10:04:36 PM

Reminds me of this quote...
"Capitalism and communism stand at opposite poles. Their essential difference is this: The communist, seeing the rich man and his fine home, says: 'No man should have so much.' The capitalist, seeing the same thing, says: 'All men should have as much.' "
Phelps Adams

I disagree with this quote. A communist would say: "All men should come together and build such fine houses for each other in cooperation."

EDIT: And a capitalist would say: "If I hire those 20 vagrants for the minimal wage and outsource construction material factory to the dirt-cheap Elbonia, I'll build an even grander house at half the price".

You can quote me on this.

And, Phelps Adams has actually swapped labels.