Quote from: stoick on May 04, 2015, 05:30:28 PM

Quote from: xyzzy099 on May 04, 2015, 05:18:27 PM

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Quote from: xyzzy099 on May 04, 2015, 04:39:32 PM

I was not implying any kind of value judgement at all - just relating historical fact.

EDIT: I realized I did not answer your point. It is a fact that capitalists can practice a little socialism, socialists can practice a little capitalism, and either can be practiced to varying degrees by both good and evil men. We do not live in a binary universe.

Your edit is pretty much what I was trying to say. There is nothing inherently wrong with Socialism. The Reich's (amazing) initial success in WW2 was, in large part, due to its socialist aspects: state taking control of the industry, subsidized scientific research, etc., etc. It's the "Nationalist" part that made nazis ...unlovable. The whole racial purity, eugenics, antisemitism, lebensraum at any cost etc. The "socialism" part worked like a charm

Yes, Socialism is a very effective way to gain the hearts and minds of the people, no doubt.

And a very effective way of running an economy which is what I was driving at.

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Your responses seem to suggest that you read my initial post as implying that socialism was evil because Nazis were socialists. I certainly never said anything like that. I just pointed out that they were, in fact, socialists, both by their own claim, and demonstrably by many of their social and economic policies.

I corrected Fatman3001 by pointing out that, at least technically, nazis *were* socialist. So yeah, I'm with you there.

You two were getting on my tits a bit, but I see now that it's more a matter of confusion regarding terminology.