Quote from: smooth on May 20, 2015, 01:20:22 AM

Quote from: BlockaFett on May 20, 2015, 01:08:52 AM

Quote from: smooth on May 20, 2015, 12:33:13 AM

Quote from: toknormal on May 19, 2015, 10:38:59 PM

I'm going to try to explain this like you're five. I don't don't if it will work. You might not be quite at that mental level yet.

Show the bitcoin blockchain to the Average Joe, and he doesn't see a damn thing, just a bunch of letters and numbers. Better yet, show the actual bytes, not how it is interpreted on a block explorer. Understanding, interpreting, and verifying that blockchain requires an understanding of the protocol, and being able to do things like verify secp256k1 signatures and sha256 hashes (two bits of complex cryptographic math) in order to tell that the blocks are valid, the transactions are valid, and the outputs (coins) you receive are legitimate.

Monero is exactly the same damn thing. If you understand the protocol, and how to verify CryptoNight hashes and CryptoNote ring signatures (two more bits of complex cryptographic math) you can tell the blocks are valid, the transactions are valid, and the outputs (coins) you receive are legitimate.

It is a different protocol, with different cryptographic math, but from the point of view of verifying the chain, exactly the same.

You also don't know what fungibility even means as a definition. It means interchangeable. If the coins are all mathematically verifiable (and they are), and can't be attached to some unique and distinctive history (which the can't), then it is fungible. Whatever other gibberish you want to throw around in an ongoing months- (years- ?) long display of your own ignorance does not mean fungible, if it means anything at all.

Smooth I think it's quite disgraceful that you as a core-dev are here on a thread asking for your own special forum section on BCT

I'm not asking for a forum section, I think that's a pretty silly idea.

I responded on a technical matter of how blockchains work and what the word fungibility means. Maybe toknormal can learn something and stop embarrassing himself. Because I'm trying to be friendly to him is all. Monero Cares.

Also, view key doesn't reverse mixing, only stealth, giving a list of one time addresses. It is the same as seizing your wallet.dat or Electrum (HD) wallet seed (although these might also allow spending your unspent coins, a view key alone never would).

Just point out what you did here - First you reply to Tok and cut out his argument and reply saying he has the mental age of a 5 year old...

Then when I reply you cut out my text, avoid all my points and chop the first sentence in half to totally change it's meaning, and say Tok can learn something and stop embarrassing himself?

And you just leave your own text intact and carry on insulting people lol...

You ignored / redacted all my points apart from viewkeys so - you are marketing them as enabling compliance with financial authorities, then when I point out the potential backdoor from extortion / seizure you're saying they aren't any use to authorities that demand you hand them over - makes no sense at all - if it's good enough to satisfy tax official's compliance, it's good enough to *not* have as an open feature that said officials can *force* any Monero holder to hand over - end of story. (and unfortunately I think viewkeys is the only innovation Monero added to Cryptonote in the last year right?)

About funigibility etc... I take Tok's point to be that in the real world 'invisible blockchains' are going to have a problem including convincing people that the units are fungible - From experience I agree with that sentiment, a lot of people won't trust some Bitcoin geeks who show up and tell them 'yeh you should switch to this currency, you can't see anything, but it's all secure / fungible thanks to our code', they will want to see it to believe it. That might not fit into your equations but that's how the real world works as you obviously don't know that yet....and all the cryptography in Monero was copy/pasted from Bytecoin anyway and you missed the scam miner / only did 8 commits in 1 year so on what basis are you an authority on any of this?