Quote from: kazuki49 on June 03, 2015, 01:09:00 AM

Quote from: Adrian-x on June 03, 2015, 12:59:51 AM

Quote from: kazuki49 on June 03, 2015, 12:52:40 AM

Quote from: justusranvier on June 03, 2015, 12:44:48 AM

Quote from: kazuki49 on June 02, 2015, 11:35:13 PM

Not only that friend, what else are they planing to change down the line? Like I said many moons ago, they will try change the emission and they will start making Bitcoin permanently inflationary, not that I'm against the model, I like Monero exactly because the disinflation but it is a severe rupture of Bitcoin's trust and social contract and all started with the project being hijacked into this obscure XT fork.

If they try to make a change like that, users will migrate away from their fork just as easy as they migrated to it.

In the end, the developers don't actually have any power - they can only product the software which users want or refrain from doing so.

I would have thought the same until his last statement, you are clearly ignoring the power he is displaying to hold as he forces his plan with help of the billionaire backed VC companies so if you want to buy Bitcoin on exchange X, you'll need to install his fork.

I think you need to consider who the billionaire backed VC companies are backing. we don't know how this turns out, but your concerns are valid, i just don't know if you are directing them towards the correct developers.

if this is a 1 way path why do you think so, I agree with justusranvier, you just switch back if they move in the wrong direction how do you see it?

Masses are easily influenced, you would think most people think like you, there is no "going back" from this, the bitcoin eco-system is already centralized in few companies backed by same hands, what I see is a move to put the bitcoin network effect in great peril if this fork happens, because the way bitcoin and decentralized crypto works, only when theres absolute consensus should a move like that happen. What I believe to be the hidden intention behind this fork is to open the bitcoin network to new regulatory frameworks that will be born from the centralized nature of mining and the inherent traceability and likability of the protocol, and establishing a precedent of strong-arming forks.

If you can't see the messages from the same agents pointing towards this scenario, well, you are making a fool of yourself to the future community that will be studying Bitcoin-history http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34161751/

I share many of your concerns, however I don't agree with your interpretation of centralization, a trend in the contraction of nodes and a specialization in mining is influenced by many factors, i just don't see it a centralizing.

There is one exception though I see the development of the code that protects the protocol as centralized.

There was some info posted earlier that showed that their can be wisdom in mass behavior, I think its relevant, and i believe big picture we are coming out of the hypnoses of mass manipulation as invented by Edward Bernays and deployed by politicians and marketiers, (to quote Douglas Adams who did a talk on the topic) we moving away from the 1 to many communication age of broadcasters and moving to a new age of many to many communication of the internet. - which is proceeded by his parody of all the other ages from caveman times categorized by technology. I think the metaphor is quite apt given the Internet is a technology that wasn't invented for the masses to communicate.