Quote from: NewLiberty on June 04, 2015, 07:13:56 PM

Quote from: molecular on June 04, 2015, 07:11:51 PM

Quote from: NewLiberty on June 04, 2015, 07:04:05 PM

I see your point in that the amount of the fees are not part of the calculation of the penalty.
However, why would anyone mine a block for which they will not be paid?
The incentive would remain to move fees off chain, especially as the coinbase reward decreased.
Off-chain fees would not be subject to the seizure and redistribution of the rollover.
Better for the miner to guarantee positive revenue and get it on the side.

I still don't follow you.

Why does it matter wether the fee is payed on- or off-chain. The penalty is the same and the miner has to pay it either way.

By miner has to pay it, we mean "not paid to miner but to rollover pool instead"? They miner is never paying anything, they are simply not given the reward, yes?

No, by "miner has to pay it", we mean he always has to pay it, even if he receives no on-chain fees.

Quote from: Meni Rosenfeld on June 02, 2015, 08:16:17 PM

Edit: Saying again for clarity - In the current proposal, fees from transactions will be paid to the miner of the current block instantly and in full. The miners can't gain anything by accepting tx fees out of band. The one paying into the rollover pool is the miner himself, as explained below.