Quote from: child_harold on June 10, 2015, 06:38:42 PM

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Ok i dumped all...i hate it when it stinks to heaven!

lol says the cravecloaker. gtfo already troll.

I'm staking and happy. The market is coming. I know they are capable of the development behind it. These devs always deliver.

*edit* and seriously child you are going to make a shitstorm because of .4btc? I am not going to buy your silence. That is a disgusting offer.

Staking and you are happy? That every staked coin is nothing worth in future? Grin

Market is broken and devs will never release something special, only poor distract news.

Sorry? Who the hell are you?

He's a nobody invested in Cloakcoin check his post history.

Quote from: systh on June 10, 2015, 03:41:49 PM

All right, now I understand why so many crypto community members are disgusted by SDC and its community..

What the hell, seriously. c_h grow up and level up to man_harold, man.
Isidor review is on hold AFAIK, due to dev efforts on Market (someone mentioned that a few pages ago).

Also, you're really annoying me with all the pessimistic forecasts towards Market release. You must all think it's such a child's play, right? I guess that's why all the Markets ATM work so "flawlessly"..
Yeah, I get it. You want it all and you want it now. Without any personal effort. When an update is out, you say "great, thanks dev". But all the effin time in the meantime, you're just spitting dirt.
Is the crypto nowadays really just filled with spoiled kids?

You're really pushing my nerves and I'm generally pretty peaceful fella.

Exactly. To be fair, most of the crypto community who are against shadow are idiots who invested in shitcoin scams that were warned by people within this community. When the scam finally was clear they blamed the warners and their investment instead the scam artist developers who are using their btc for hookers and blow.

To people about for the Shadowsend review:

Yes, it has been 5 months. The reviewer (Zuener/CN Team) asked for more detailed documentation for the system. Last I checked the SDC developers stated that they didn't have the time to dedicate to documentation when their main priority is finishing the markets development. This topic was brought up in IRC countless times and in this thread. In that 5 month span the project has been featured on one of the most trafficked news sites on the net, vice.com. Go re-read that article. It's content and headline is based on delivery of the marketplace which will no doubt have a follow up article there and on other large sites once this moves into testing and release phase. SDCDev and the team are making sure that the next major press distribution has maximum exposure by releasing a solid product, not some half ass shitcoin hot air promise of a marketplace. The only way for Shadow to reach its full potential is by delivering on it's milestones. If history can teach us anything is that it always does.

Moving forward. Once the marketplace app is released our team can focus on documentation. Let me remind you Child_Harold that this is a real development project with real people working for free on it while the majority does nothing. We all benefit from the work done by the team and those contributing by building supporting platforms, getting existing platforms to support SDC and spreading the word about the project by bringing in new privacy advocates into the fold.

That said, you are bitching about a .4BTC ($110) donation when this project's PPC (price per coin) has more than quadrupled in value since the donation. Do you even know how much it costs to develop software? An average C++ developer runs anywhere from $50-$100 bucks an hour. Someone of the caliber of SDCDev, Tecno, BaS will run much higher probably around $150-$250. Let's use the higher end average though so you can put your greed and lack of patience into perspective.

Example:
Pay x Week Hours = Wage (Week)
$100 x 40 = $4000 a week

Wage x Weeks = Monthly Salary
$4000 x 4 = $16,000

Months x Wage = Cost per C++ Developer for Marketplace
5 x $16,000 = $80,000

Number of SDC C++ Devs x Wage = Total Cost of Backend Development (not included frontend design or development)
3 x $80,000 = $240,000

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Skill=C%2b%2b/Salary

Adjust these numbers however you want, regardless it is clear that our developers could be making a shit ton more money elsewhere without having to listen to little bitchmade investors who can't appreciate their work whine about a 4x-5x profit in 5 month span. Also these rough figures don't include Java (Android development), Html/Css, copywriting, planning, research or design hours either. This is just based on the marketplace backend development. If included the total cost would be much higher. That said, the team is here to build cool shit and change the landscape of the world. If they wanted to make money they could quit the project and go to a more traditional engineering role without the BS investors ankle biting their progress.

TL:DR

The reviewers (Zuener and the Cryptonote authors) asked for more documentation. SDC devs dedicated resources to marketplace development not documentation. Dev hours cost money, quit bitching.

TrollsRoyce I presume

It seems to me TV (not Ryno) is the man to provide the info. It is a shame both market and Zeuner docs cant be done at the same time.

Here are my problems:

1) Who will trust the market pre peer review? If the Zeuner Report had been released some time ago (as it could have been) hackers and pen testers would have already tried to break it (unsuccessfully one hopes) and the crypto scene would not be so obsessed with cryptonote alone as an anon tech.

2) Regrettably and for reasons that remain private I have been forces to sell over 50% of my SDC holdings in recent months. Obviously I feel the Zeuner peer review would have helped push the price up further and am understandably frustrated when months later I still wait. You yourself told me it would not take much longer months ago. Sadly you yourself must be disappointed that we are still discussing it in this way.

It's not the 0.4BTC that hurts, it's the dagger to the heart. 3 weeks chaps. Please make it happen.

Laterz.

1) The technology is first of all open source. Like all open sourced projects anyone is free to review the system to find and/or exploit any vulnerabilities which in turn makes the team respond with a fix. We don't need anyone qualified to tell us that this will lead to the project getting stronger. The project is also built on a proven platform (Bitcoin). Unlike cryptonote, Bitcoin has been under the microscope from pentesters for many years now. When SDC gets into the limelight it will be under the microscope just the same. I have no doubts that the project will have numerous reviews come out for it.

2) The original authors of cryptonote also contacted the SDC team about reviewing ShadowSend. After 3 months of back and forth they asked for more documentation.. If this was just a clone of cryptonote as some clone developers have said I would think the original authors of the cryptonote protocol would be able to point that out instead of asking for more documentation. If anything it sparked their curiosity and appreciation of the work here to ask for more info. The fact the both reviewers asked for more information is also a sign that it is needed but not a priority over the marketplace. Commerce drives value in a currency much more than speculation.

Honestly, I think that you should dump the rest of your holdings and move to a new project child_harold. I don't think you have the skin to be a long term investor. Your public outcries show a lack of maturity and also a lack of reading comprehension. The team has stated numerous times that they decided to dedicate their resources to building out the marketplace instead of documentation. CRZ- started working on the marketplace design towards the end of October so this has been in planning well before any review of ShadowSend. The decision was to postpone development work for docs or begin backend development and the coverage by Motherboard of the SDC marketplace progress made that decision simple. Obviously our team would like to focus on documentation not just for the review but also to bring in contributing developers. The priority right now is finishing up on 9 months of front and backend development.