Quote from: tacotime on June 11, 2015, 04:21:47 PM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on June 11, 2015, 03:16:14 PM

Quote from: tacotime on June 09, 2015, 08:30:18 PM

I can't wait for the multitude of sidechain forks that all compete with each other. Sidechains themselves require incentives to operate securely, such as fees and the continued security of the Bitcoin network, so I'd guess we'll start to see a lot of the same issues in sidechain space as we do in altchain space. I really don't think there's any difference between the two. You can also issue your own assets already on Bitcoin (e.g. coinprism, counterparty), so the notion of token issuance for use in general scamming will surely appear on sidechains as well. You can't out-technology human speculation in finance.

There is no speculation incentive because all investments are denominated in BTC. Thus this will force consolidation. Unless there are revenue models and/or dividends for side chains.

Ah... just like all alt coins are merge mined with Bitcoin to support the entire network hash rate? After Elements adds explicit tokenization it'll be easy for anyone to make a sidechain fork and issue "Sidechain Funbux" on their fork, pre-sale them, etc.

But what you've described above is not different than what we already have. I thought you were implying pegged side chains would increase speculation and especially in a way that might dilute Bitcoin more than presently.

Quote from: tacotime on June 11, 2015, 04:21:47 PM

Bilateral two-way peg also means that Bitcoin might inadvertently end up supporting a number of pre-existing alt. coins anyway; especially since we can now explicitly tokenize them in a 1:1 peg on the elements sidechain and transfer them there.

I am unclear on how pegged side chains prevent a BTC pegged side chain from creating more BTC fungible monetary units than were transferred into the side chain from another BTC chain?

Assuming debasement of BTC can be cryptographically prevented (but I can't fathom how that can be possible in a decentralized context Huh

... however I haven't yet entirely digested the Blockstream whitepaper), then I don't see how you justify your claim that Bitcoin might end up supporting altcoins?

(actually I see another way, and it appears to be a win-win paradigm for all involved)