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Quote from: othe on June 11, 2015, 01:44:23 PM

Hello newly registered fake account,

I am willing to proof it with a monetary bet of 50 BTC or the equal amount in XMR;

Whichever escrow is used is up to you as long as he´s neutral and has a good reputation.

How do you do that? You can, for example, give risto 25 BTC and tell him to say he did it.

How can you prove it?

1. I said a NEUTRAL Escrow.
2. We would go to a notary/lawyer to testify the trade history, costs a few hundred bucks.

Better make a fake Wall. Roll Eyes

There is no such thing as a "fake" wall. Once an order has been placed on the market it is there and ready to be executed. People put up and remove walls all the time, but most walls are too small to notice. People like to pay attention to big walls and sometimes alter their trades based on it. It sounds like you are grumpy and my guess is that you got burned. Welcome to the free market. I hope after a few more years you'll learn to appreciate the liquidity that such walls provide for large holders. I personally would be delighted to see more big walls appear, it will give me more confidence in the market. For I could quickly get rid of my position by dumping into such "fake" walls, the more of them appears, the more opportunities I have to do so.

Instead of getting mad for what you deem to be "manipulation" and "fake walls" I encourage to take advantage of your knowledge and turn it into profit.

I don´t trade XMR since 05/31, zero drama. Wink

Now waiting for 0.00017... again ( or some instamine coin with no fake walls Kiss

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In other words you got burned. Really bad. Immediately after you sold the price began to rise. A 100k wall came up and crushed your dreams of buying back at 0.0017. Don't be such a bad loser, learn from your failure instead and turn a profit next time.

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Quote from: smooth on June 11, 2015, 10:07:32 PM

Sometimes walls are far enough away from the market they are unlikely to be executed and may be attempts to influence the market. That might loosely be called a "fake" wall. Of course such orders still could be executed so the wall-maker-manipluator is putting real coins at risk putting such a wall up, at almost any price.

I think the difference between "real" and "fake" wall (or any limit order) lies in the placer's thinking:

- if he wishes the order to be fulfilled, the wall is "real"
- if he hopes that it will achieve some other purpose but not be fulfilled, it is fake

Both types of walls abound, and it is not immediately obvious which is which, and situations change rapidly, so that even the same order can at times be "real" and then "fake".

Every wall is precious, because they add to the liquidity. From the counterparty's perspective, it does not matter if the wall was "fake" or "real" Grin

That's a fair way to put it.