Quote from: Zarathustra on June 19, 2015, 08:31:16 AM

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Combustion of fossil fuels accounts for about 5% or so of the total release of CO2 into the atmosphere per year. Natural processes release and absorb many times that per year.

This is one of the dumbest 'arguments' of the anthropocentric truthers and bible throwers.

The natural process is a carbon circulation. Combustion of fossil fuels takes carbon out of the ground and transfers it into the ocean and the atmosphere.

It is not a circulation but a pump which over time slowly puts more and more carbon into the ground from out of the air. This is why the long term carbon graphs show carbon as constantly decreasing at a steady rate over millions of years.

No, not constantly decreasing. Cyclically decreasing. 150 Million years ago the concentration has been much higher than 300 Million years ago.
Anthropogenic experiments in changing the composition of the atmosphere in record time are anyway an idiocy. Man made, shock-like changes in the atmosphere determine shock-like reactions of flora and fauna.

200M years of continuously decreasing levels. We have barely reversed a mere fraction of that. Yes it is a change, but that does not mean it is a bad change.

Abruptly engineering an environment with conditions of the pre-mammalian age could indeed be a good change.
The planet would at least be spared from anthropocentric poison drinkers and hyper-collectivists (bible throwers, Keynesians, Austrians, tvbcofs, anonymints and other fascist collectivists) and the command of their idols: Dominum terrae.

The state, I call it, where all are poison-drinkers, the good and the bad: the state, where all lose themselves, the good and the bad: the state, where the slow suicide of all is called "life."

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thus_Spoke_Zarathustra#Ch._11_:_The_New_Idol

Eliminating mankind entirely may be your lunatic goal, but that particular goal is very, very, very difficult to achieve. Entropy is not on your side.

As I wrote upthread, the most amusing aspect IMNSHO is you somehow think your goals spare you from your implicitly desired outcome.

I wonder where your hatred of man originates? Did your relatives or priest rape you? Is it a power trip of jealousy (if I can have it all, then no one else should have anything)?

Btw, for anyone who isn't aware, afair Zarathustra was trying to convince me in 2013 that the tribal life that existed for example in the Philippines before the arrival of any modern technology, is the ideal life. What he doesn't comprehend is that the Laws of Thermodynamics do not allow for a reversal of time (reversible processes don't exist). The only way to go back, is to destroy all life because it is intertwined with all that has changed (increased entropy towards the maximum entropy required by the Second Law). How would you burn all the books and memories of technology?

Humans are social. The work I am attempting now is to move the power from the center back to the ends of the network as was the case when there were many small tribes competing. So I don't know how you can accuse me of being hyper-collectivist. If I succeed with a bearer coin and ecosystem, then much of the centralized power will fall away. The work I am attempting is to reenable the superiority of small communities, so in that respect our goals are aligned but just don't expect it to happen without technology.

I admit that when I used to live in Camarillo, California in my early 20s and I was addicted to sugar (and programming WordUp by Neocept which you can Google), I had these fantasies of going back to simpler time and living off the land. So by 1991, I took off to the Philippines to test out my theory. I even hiked through Mexico and Guatemala in 1993 to learn. I slept with a family high in the mountains in Guatemala that only had a dirt floor. I had to squat outside in the night to defecate; a dog ate the warm feces (very cold up in the mountains at night) while I was still in the act.

It just isn't the fantasy I thought it would be. There are some aspects of the simpler life I love. But life without modern things is very difficult and not always as pleasant. And it also retarded my productivity. I nearly gave away all the best years of my potential career to this experiment. I was on the path to be a maverick in the software industry and I threw most of it away for this fantasy. Well perhaps not all; perhaps I still have one more chance to redeem myself. 50 is old, but hopefully not too old to still do some great work.

Edit: I don't disagree with the notion that most of the food we eat is poison. The natural foods are the best. I have this theory that my Multiple Sclerosis is due to losing the good bacteria in my digestive tract (supported by research that shows correlation between imflammation, autoimmunity, and gut bacteria deficiencies; as well a severely debilitated M.S. patient was able to be mostly cured by receiving fecal transplants). A recent finding of science is that native tribes have a much more diversified gut flora and better health because of it. They even discovered that some good bacteria act as natural antibiotics. Apparently our immune is intertwined with our digestive system (perhaps since that is where most pathogens enter). Since a week ago I've been fermenting salsa for two days before eating it. So far, I feel significant changes but don't know if this is a cure.

Edit#2, Zarathustra do you still have those images of the ideal tribal life? Can you insert them into your prior post so that readers can visualize what you are proposing?